The Gaming Club has a funny definition of "playing in a raked hand"

[youtalkfunny]

Great freeroll at TGC at midnight Eastern Time. Just play "fifty raked hands".

I played in a 2-4 game from 9 to 11:30. I count at least 75 hands that have been raked.

But I'm not allowed to sign up for the freeroll.

I call support (since it didn't look like my e-mail would be answered in time--understandable, since I can't expect them to check their e-mail every two minutes), but they sound so far away, I wonder if I may be talking to someone on the moon. Accents didn't help either. They could hear me just fine, so I shouted my concern, and asked them to reply via e-mail.

I got my reply in about a minute. I was very pleased with the support staff.

But not with the answer.

Here is the definition of a raked hand, pasted from support's e-mail:

1. Whilst playing a game, you can determine when the game has become a raked hand by noticing a chip that will appear on top of the chip rack at the top of the game table. This chip will have a small value of up to 5% of the pot to a maximum of $3.
2. Should you fold out of a game before it becomes a raked hand, the raked hand will not be added to your raked hand count.
3. Should you fold out of a game after it becomes a raked hand, the raked hand will be added to your raked hand count.

I think this is unfair to tight players (like me). It seems analogous to a sportsbook offering a bigger bonus to those who bet on underdogs, since that's the action the house needs to balance the books.

But I can't say that I'm objective.

I can see that loose players, who build the pots, are the main contributors to the rake.

And I agree that if it's free, I've no right to complain. Someone giving away money reserves the right to give it to whomever he chooses.

But since I've never seen a freeroll that emphasized loose vs tight play, I'm having trouble coming to grips with it.

Am I wrong? Should I just shut up? Don't ask me to loosen up!

EDIT: Oh yeah, sorry if this has already been discussed.

[Jim Kuhn]

By their definition of a raked hand a super tight player could play several hundred hands to qualify. They also reduced their freeroll from $3000 to $1000 (I think). At some point you wonder if it is worth it. Are the games very juicy?

[_And1_]

No, they have not. It s just that there is now 3 of the 1000$ freerolls, so they still offerings 3*1000=3000 in freeroll tournies like they did before, but just in another fashion...

[pretender2k]

Your right they can do anything they want for they are the ones making the rules, and we can do anything we want including choosing were we play. Do any of these places realize that we are the ones that are gonna keep their sites going when they have raked the fish to death.

UB - 200 hand histories per day
Party/ Skins - questionable support when you can actually get on their server
Poker Stars - 200 hand history limit even if you ask for the last week
A lot of sites - increasing rake and doing little to cure problems

I wish the US government would just let the casinoes go to online gambling. You let a company with experience and capital get into this market and most these sites will be all but gone within a year. But I bet you would get at least one site with all the good qualities of them and so much traffic it would make Party's numbers look like a raindrop in a storm.

[William]

At True Poker, a raked hand is one you have invested money in, so it takes ages there as well.

[CrackerZack]

You're just spoiled by party.

btw, they offer a number of freerolls every day giving away what used to be 5K a day (if its still 3K at 1:00 am) and you're complaining the qualification is about an hour of play instead of 30 mins.

[HavanaBanana]

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I think this is unfair to tight players (like me).

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Who pays the rake?
The players who win the pot, noone else.
Tight players win less pots than loose players so they should get less if you want fairness.
Not only that, tight players break up games, loose players keep games going.

I am playing on my 10+2$ free money at TRUE right now, I have played 4760 hands, mostly 2-4 10 player table, I have 37% flop seen AND I have been winning.

LIVE a little!, don't play like an old man sitting at the 25c 50c bring in in Vegas waiting for rolled up aces in stud.

Loose doesent mean fish, and tight doesent mean good.
Play more hands and get paid when you get a good hand.

ToT

[jtc]

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You're just spoiled by party.


[/ QUOTE ]It's not just party, I play pokerroom and they count any hand in which you are dealt to go towards your points. You can fold pre-flop, and as long as there is at least .25 in rake taken in that hand you'll get points.
When I signed up, I played tight (saw <20% flop), and cleared the bonus in two days.

[Tachyon]

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Poker Stars - 200 hand history limit even if you ask for the last week

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This is true - but one email to support and they will send you any number of hand histories that you require.

John