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Rick Nebiolo
03-11-2004, 05:35 PM
There has been a lot of discussion on the newsgroup rec.gambling.poker regarding the move from time collection to drop in the Los Angeles mid limit games. Most of these threads have been started by a man who posts under "Speed Racer" and can be found using the following link: http://tinyurl.com/2eofr

Using the above link scroll down to "Should the Nits, Old Men, Rocks, and Nut Peddlers Take Their Action to the Commerce Top Section?" and work your way to the more recent threads.

Today Speed Racer posted a thread with the title I copied into this 2+2 post. You can find it using this link: http://tinyurl.com/3c9ga

Note that at this time Google only shows the initial post even though I and others have responded (Google is great for newsgroup archives (such as the first link in this post) but not good for active threads since it only scans the newsgroups a few times per day. Use a newsreader or www.recpoker.com (http://www.recpoker.com) to view the most recent posts in this very active thread.

If you are a middle limit player in Los Angeles you need to look at what is happening here.

Regards,

Rick

CrackerZack
03-11-2004, 05:50 PM
tinyurl, so convenient, yet so blocked by my work proxy.

I shall read at home.

Franchise (TTT)
03-11-2004, 06:22 PM
I'm really surprised at the dominance of those threads by the Southern California players, without any input from the Northern Californians. Some of the following my be slightly incorrect (or may have changed), but the general ideas apply.

As far as I know, the San Jose clubs (Garden City and Bay 101) both use the button drop, with a live drop in the 8/16 and lower games, and a dead drop in the mid-limits. The drop is $3 for 7-9 players, $2 for 6 players, and $1 for 5 or fewer.

In the mid-limit games, the button drop is still taken from a player if the button passes them by while they are walking (the real button still has to pay).

I think the system is great. Instead of a rake punishing the looser players, the dead drop is paid and forgotten. Also, the auto-collection deters people from going for half hour walks.

However, to my knowledge, the food is not comped in either of those places.

Rick Nebiolo
03-12-2004, 01:43 AM
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I'm really surprised at the dominance of those threads by the Southern California players, without any input from the Northern Californians. Some of the following my be slightly incorrect (or may have changed), but the general ideas apply.

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I don't have time to travel to Northern California but I (and probably Speed Racer) am very much interested in finding out how things are done in other venues.

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As far as I know, the San Jose clubs (Garden City and Bay 101) both use the button drop, with a live drop in the 8/16 and lower games, and a dead drop in the mid-limits. The drop is $3 for 7-9 players, $2 for 6 players, and $1 for 5 or fewer.

In the mid-limit games, the button drop is still taken from a player if the button passes them by while they are walking (the real button still has to pay).

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Actually, this method of collection/drop was discussed deep in the following thread except we were mostly discussing Lucky Chances and Artichoke Joe's. Here is a link to the thread: http://tinyurl.com/254rc

Since this sub-discussion is deep within the above thread (and it took me (a participant) a while to find it), here is a link to the post where I touched on possible advantages of the dead drop: http://tinyurl.com/2ta72

Eventually there was a lot of linkage between the posts on RGP and 2+2 and I made Speed Racer aware of the mid limit dead button drop with a penalty drop for walkers used at AJ's. He came back with this post advocating a dead drop taken in addition to the small blind: http://tinyurl.com/yvwnr

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I think the system is great. Instead of a rake punishing the looser players, the dead drop is paid and forgotten. Also, the auto-collection deters people from going for half hour walks.

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Both Speed Racer and I agree with you that rake punishes looser players and kills the action once you get to mid limits. We also agree that deterring walking is essential. I just got a phone call from my friend Hero, who often plays 15/30 and 20/40 at Hawaiian Gardens after work. She told me that the walking tonight was out of hand and her 15/30 game was constantly out of action (normally not the case for any game she is in - people love to play with her). She did say that the 20/40 stayed full, and that some players seemed to think they must step up to this game because of the high proportional rake in the 15/30 game.

I would love to hear input regarding other methods of collection and effective means of deterring constant walking.

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However, to my knowledge, the food is not comped in either of those places.

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I've had many comped meals, have rarely ordered excessively, and generally don't feed a posse of players sitting behind. Unfortunately, we all must eventually pay for those that do. The reality is that it is hard to take something back once given and the Los Angeles clubs take a major financial hit comping food. In the end the players will pay for it with higher collections (and all too often with thicker waistlines).

Regards,

Rick