How to handle a common situation

[Gamblor]

I think I'm losing money in a situation that I often can't get away from.

I am in LP with QQ. The pot is raised and folded to me, and I 3-bet.

The original raiser caps it.

The flop, turn and river all come rags.

I ought to qualify this by pointing out that I read very well at casinos, associating players with plays. But online, I can separate the idiots from the maniacs from the solid players, and that's about it.

Do I call him down to the river if no overcards come?

Do I raise the flop and if 3-bet get out on the turn?

How do you handle this kind of situation?

[SpaceAce]

Callh im down, are you kidding? Raise the flop and cap if you're three-bet. Call him down if he keeps at it after that.

Or, if you want to take a more cautious approach, call him down after he three-bets you on the flop. No way am I getting off a pair of Queen on the turn without an obvious beat on the board. The only exception is if I know something about the player and believe he would only play AA and KK this way.

The above advice applies only to typical Hold'Em schmucks. Don't burn your money off when you know your opponent playes well and must have your Queens beat.

SpaceAce

[Gamblor]

How many 5/10 full ring game online players cap with less than QQ?

[LivingLegend58]

I would with AKs, more than likely.

[chesspain]

The standard play for this situation is to just call your opponent down (assuming no overcards fall), for this allows you to lose the least amount of money when you are behind to AA/KK, and allows you to win the most if your opponent is going to keep betting into you with TT/JJ/AQ/AK.

This is straight from HEFAP, pg. 133--although in the example from the book Hero plays first.

[bernie]

It shouldnt be that much tougher to keep track of a players preflop 3 bet/cap standards. If you're not sure, you're calling it down. Then bank the information.

btw...Which was he? An idiot, maniac or solid player?

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[Gamblor]

Watched him overcall the river with T7 on a JT96A board earlier.

[Warior]

Lots, I've seen multiple players cap with any pocket pr. If they have read Helmuths book they all do it. Just had a guy today cap it on 2 streets with pocket 5's when I was holding QQ. Also, have seen it with a suited Ax, AK or even AQ. If I play that hand it sees the river unless I KNOW I'm beat.

[CrackerZack]

I'm payin' off. After seeing the T7, if he was aggressive and dumb, I'd raise him on the turn.

[Nottom]

Most sane players don't cap without AA, KK, QQ or maybe AKs. If you opponent falls into the sane category, you should usually play it like they advice in HEFAP. Fold if an A or K flops and call him down if you have an overpair.

It seems weak, but you are behind here so often its silly to get into a raising war and if he does have AK you are happy for him to keep betting into you. Sure you lose a bit if your opponent has JJ or something, but I think you save more when you are behind.

[Nottom]

If hes a moron, I probably raise the river if there are no overcards.

[bernie]

overcalling standards are different from preflop 3/4 bet standards though. If he was more on the passive side, play more cautiously.

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[Gamblor]

HPFAP recommends calling down with QQ if you get 3-bet after your raise.

I don't recall any advice (I'll look it up when I get home) about QQ facing a capped pot PF.

But I think the best way to handle it is indeed to call him down. Again, I don't really read players well online for some reason.

[bernie]

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Again, I don't really read players well online for some reason.


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Are you multi-tabling? That can make it tougher to get a line on players. The advice referred to, i think, is in the head up section.

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[Nottom]

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I don't recall any advice (I'll look it up when I get home) about QQ facing a capped pot

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You are correct, HEFAP decscribes playeing after you are 3-bet, but an opponent that caps is usually representing a subset of their 3-betting standards. So this means you are that much more likely to be against a bigger overpair and a passive approach should be that much more appropriate.

I always get into trouble here when it gets capped and there are a few random coldcallers stuck between me and the capper. It makes the proper play much more difficult.