Did I play this hand wrong?

[Wisco Kidd]

Greetings. I'm new here (1st post) and am looking for some advice. I was playing in a low stakes limit tourny the other day and was doing well until I got crushed on one hand. I'm just looking to see how I could have better played this hand. I am Wisco_Kidd btw. Should I have folded when the river hit the fourth heart? Here is the transcript from the hand.


100/200 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (Limit) (Tournament 2529372) - Wed Mar 03 18:32:37 EST 2004
Table Card Room Table 683 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: Wisco_Kidd (1563)
Seat 2: mkjump (1465)
Seat 3: Comish (895)
Seat 4: uncsh (680)
Seat 6: TCHAMPREY (692)
Seat 7: Tide56 (1715)
Seat 10: cmstich (990)
mkjump posts small blind (50)
Comish posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Wisco_Kidd [ Kc, Ks ]
uncsh calls (100)
TCHAMPREY folds.
Tide56 calls (100)
cmstich folds.
Wisco_Kidd raises (200) to 200
mkjump folds.
Comish calls (100)
uncsh calls (100)
Tide56 calls (100)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ah, 8h, Kh ]
Comish checks.
uncsh bets (100)
Tide56 calls (100)
Wisco_Kidd raises (200) to 200
Comish raises (300) to 300
uncsh folds.
Tide56 calls (200)
Wisco_Kidd raises (200) to 400
Comish calls (100)
Tide56 calls (100)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 4d ]
Comish bets (200)
Tide56 calls (200)
Wisco_Kidd raises (400) to 400
Comish calls (95)
Comish is all-In.
Tide56 calls (200)
Creating Main Pot with $3035 with Comish
** Dealing River ** : [ 6h ]
Tide56 bets (200)
Wisco_Kidd calls (200)
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3035 | Side Pot 1: 610
Board: [ Ah 8h Kh 4d 6h ]
Wisco_Kidd balance 363, lost 1200 [ Kc Ks ] [ three of a kind, kings -- Ah,Kc,Ks,Kh,8h ]
mkjump balance 1415, lost 50 (folded)
Comish balance 0, lost 895 [ 4h As ] [ a flush, ace high -- Ah,Kh,8h,6h,4h ]
uncsh balance 380, lost 300 (folded)
TCHAMPREY balance 692, didn't bet (folded)
Tide56 balance 4160, bet 1200, collected 3645, net +2445 [ Qh Td ] [ a flush, ace high with queen kicker -- Ah,Kh,Qh,8h,6h ]
cmstich balance 990, didn't bet (folded)

[deacsoft]

First of all, let me be the first to welcome you to 2+2. This a great site full of great people all looking to help each other out. Hope you stick around and take part in what we do here.

To answer your question... YES. It was played poorly. The preflop raise was good. The raise after the flop was not bad as long as it was just to see where you're at. If you think you still have the best hand here you're most likely wrong. In low stakes all the fish love to play their suited cards in hopes of hitting that flush. A call would be in order here as opposed to the raise. If you do raise it is likely someone will reraise (as they did). Now you have to think you're up against a flush. Do not cap it here. These raises rarely get any number of players to fold and you're just sinking yourself in to the pot. The only chance you have is for the board to pair so you make your boat (or hit the other K). The turn is a blank. Do not raise here either for the same reasons as just mentioned. A call is acceptable due to pot odds. The river brings another heart and puts a four flush on the board. The call was fine (again due to pot odds), but you have to know you're beat. The call may not have been fine if you had not raised the pot up so much. You trapped yourself in a pot with a losing hand.

Kings in the hole are great starting hand, but don't get too attached to them. A flush is a bad hand for you to be against so use caution when one may be out there.

P.S. check out some other hands posted on this site and try to use that format when posting hands. makes it easier for all. Good luck at the tables. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Wisco Kidd]

Thanks for the welcome, its much appreciated. As for how others list their hands on here, I don't quite get it all. Is there a list of definitions somewhere. Some of it I get, others I just don't know what or who they are talking about. Hero, SB, BB, CO, UTG? Like I said, I understand the small blind, big blind but some of the other terms or abbreviations I don't. Sorry if this is in the wrong forum, but if anyone could point me to a list of definitions it would be greatly appreciated.

[CrackerZack]

I read the post but was too lazy to answer, but feel obliged to now.

This advice is not so accurate.

PF fine, Flop is very good. If somehow you actually are behind, which I doubt, you have 7 outs now and 10 on the next card to catch up, that's lots. Turn, the 3-bet may be excessive only because this is a tournament and chips lost cost more than chips gained help. On the river, I think you can give someone credit for a heart and fold, again, only because this is a tournament.

In a cash game I would play this hand exactly the same way you did. Because its a tournament, a bit more caution on the turn and the crying call on the river are possibly wrong. I'm not sure though as the pot is HUGE. If you do not raise this flop, as suggested in this advice, seriously consider taking up tennis. I'd raise and cap the flop, on the turn it might occur to me to slow down but not likely.

Welcome to the forum.

[CrackerZack]

There are hand history converters that make it easier to read. Check out pretty much everything posted in the small stakes forum.

[BugsBunny]

This is better /images/graemlins/smile.gif Link to converter included below.

Party Poker Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind t100 (7 handed) converter (http://www.stompandcrush.com/cgi-bin/hhparser.cgi)

Hero (t1563)
SB (t1465)
BB (t895)
UTG (t680)
MP1 (t692)
MP2 (t1715)
CO (t990)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO folds, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB, t850) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, UTG folds, MP2 calls, Hero caps, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (10.75 BB, t2150) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
BB bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, BB calls t95 (All-In), MP2 calls.

River: (16.22 BB, t3245) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 3645 BB (t3645)
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: 15.17 BB (t3035), between Hero, BB and MP2.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by MP2 (15.175 BB (t3035)).</font>
<font color="#990066">Pot 2: 3.05 BB (t610), between Hero and MP2.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by MP2 (3.05 BB (t610)).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
BB shows 4h As (flush, ace high).
MP2 shows Qh Td (flush, ace high).
Hero shows Kc Ks (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: MP2 wins 18.22 BB (t3645). </font>

[Spyder]

UTG = Under the Gun (First to act)
SB = Small Blind
BB = Big Blind (or, Big Bet when talking about the pot)
Hero = YOU
CO = Cut-off (last person to play before the Button)

THere is an "Abbreviations" hot-link in the lower left of this page, under the "DIRECTORY" heading.

Spyder