Math Help...Intercasino Casino bonus....Blackjack

[rusty JEDI]

I got the match bonus of $80 this month and tried to bet 20X that to see how much i could keep. I made the minimum $2 bets and played optimal strategy.

I busted after 197 bets (bet is anytime i put in $2, so for each hand, + splits + doubles). Is this either in your opinion or mathematically around the number of hands it should take to bust. I thought i had read that over the 800 bets required you should still have around $58 or something like that. Well i didnt even get a 1/4 of the bets in and i busted.

I kept track of some things and one was that i didnt get dealt 20 (two faces) until the 92nd hand. Overall i was dealt 20, only 5 times of the 197 bets placed. Of the 5 times i was dealt 20, i lost 3 times, twice to blackjack and once to a 21, and 1 push. So i only managed to win 1 of the 5 times i was dealt 20.

Any help on the math would be appreciated.

Also, has anyone else continuously month to month beaten these requirements?

Thanks

rJ

[Webster]

Well - the 1st time I tried it I won alomst 200 - the 2nd time I busted in about 200 hands!

If you take pure math you should ON AVERAGE lose $8 for every 1000 hands. HOWEVER - ussing 2 standard deviations there is a very good chance of busting out within the number of hands you play.

AND - the really bad part is you can not start over next month. If you only played 10X of the 20X needed you need you plat 30X next month.

Once you lose - forget about the matching bonus

[Audi]

Not true Webster, once you lose twice the amount of the bonus your WR is cleared.

BTW, congrats on busting out early, you just increased your EV!

[lunchmeat]

I've hit this bonus every month since August, and I've turned a profit every month except October and November. The way I do it is to play multi-handed blackjack, 5 $1 hands at a time. Now that they upped the wagering requirement to 25X, it takes about 4 1/2 hours to clear it this way.

I can't say for sure what the EV is on this one, because I'm not sure how to calculate r.o.r. when playing 5 hands at a time. I estimate that under the current wagering requirement using my method it works out to somewhere between $9-$13 per hour. Not spectacular, but it's a good +EV way to spend the early AM when I feel I might be tilt-prone. I also like this bonus because you can quit once you lose the bonus, so it's relatively stress free. Below are my monthly results since I started.

August: +$143
Sep: +$15
Oct: 0
Nov: 0
Dec: +165
Jan: +123
Feb: +49

[rusty JEDI]

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Not true Webster, once you lose twice the amount of the bonus your WR is cleared.



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This is definetly wrong. I contacted intercasino on the phone to see how much i was in the hole from the past. I hadnt played there in a few months but had tried it a few months earlier last year playing slots and just trying to double it up early. They told me my wager requirements was $6000, and the only way to get rid of it was to close my old account and start a new one.

rJ

[Thythe]

Yeah I've lost it 3 months in a row....now I'm deeeeeeep in the hole. I'm either going to email them and be like "this is impossible, you can't expect me to wager 8000 to clear this, it'll take years" or just bet the full 80 over and over again until one day it works.

[Stew]

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Yeah I've lost it 3 months in a row....now I'm deeeeeeep in the hole. I'm either going to email them and be like "this is impossible, you can't expect me to wager 8000 to clear this, it'll take years" or just bet the full 80 over and over again until one day it works.

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it's not impossible and how are you losing this three months in a row?

If you email them, they'll just say, "you realize this is our money we gave to you, so deal with it".

[Jim Kuhn]

The reason for this promotion is not just to give you free monay and see if you can win alot and cash out. They hope you will become a regular customer and lose much more than the bonus money. I am very surprised they don't claim bonus abuse when people wager only the free $80.

I have always wagered more than the wager requirements no matter how much I lost. This month I was winning some and became bored. I bet $20 on each of five spots. The dealer proceeded to get blackjack, 21 and blackjack. I cleared my bonus quickly but lost about $400 in the process. I know nobody has ever accused me of being smart!

[Thythe]

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Yeah I've lost it 3 months in a row....now I'm deeeeeeep in the hole. I'm either going to email them and be like "this is impossible, you can't expect me to wager 8000 to clear this, it'll take years" or just bet the full 80 over and over again until one day it works.

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it's not impossible and how are you losing this three months in a row?

If you email them, they'll just say, "you realize this is our money we gave to you, so deal with it".


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Stew if you lose it the first month you just get deeper and deeper into the hole. Once you're in that hole its nearly impossible to climb out. You need to wager 2000 in the first month. If you lose after only 500 wagered then you need to wager 3500 the next month. It just keeps building until its impossible to overcome.

[Jim Kuhn]

This bonus is a huge +ev. Betting the minimum there is a small chance you would not make it up the second month.

[Stew]

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Yeah I've lost it 3 months in a row....now I'm deeeeeeep in the hole. I'm either going to email them and be like "this is impossible, you can't expect me to wager 8000 to clear this, it'll take years" or just bet the full 80 over and over again until one day it works.

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it's not impossible and how are you losing this three months in a row?

If you email them, they'll just say, "you realize this is our money we gave to you, so deal with it".


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Stew if you lose it the first month you just get deeper and deeper into the hole. Once you're in that hole its nearly impossible to climb out. You need to wager 2000 in the first month. If you lose after only 500 wagered then you need to wager 3500 the next month. It just keeps building until its impossible to overcome.

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No, it's not impossible, mathematically, you have a very good chance of getting back. My question is, how did you lose it three months in a row? You're probably betting too high per hand.

[Thythe]

Well, that was the way I originally got in the hole. Following the bonuswhores advice I bet all $80 on the first hand in month 1 and of course lost. Months 2 and 3 I bet just the even $2 a hand and just ran into bad luck. Now I would say I'm going to have to wager about 6000 this month. This should dictate that I would come out about 40 ahead (or so).

The problem is that the software is SOOOO slow that if I only bet $2 a hand we are talking 10+ hours to clear this bonus. Those are VERY boring hours too. So unless I can get them to undo the wagering requirements from the past I'm going to have to bet the full amount again in one hand...over and over....

[Stew]

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Well, that was the way I originally got in the hole. Following the bonuswhores advice I bet all $80 on the first hand in month 1 and of course lost. Months 2 and 3 I bet just the even $2 a hand and just ran into bad luck. Now I would say I'm going to have to wager about 6000 this month. This should dictate that I would come out about 40 ahead (or so).

The problem is that the software is SOOOO slow that if I only bet $2 a hand we are talking 10+ hours to clear this bonus. Those are VERY boring hours too. So unless I can get them to undo the wagering requirements from the past I'm going to have to bet the full amount again in one hand...over and over....

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No offense to Jek, but that's the worst gd advice ever and it's been well discussed on this forum (not his site's advice specifically, but betting the whole wad on one hand).

[Jim Kuhn]

That is good advice for 'sticky bonuses'.

[JTrout]

I had to clear app $4000 last month, and did it betting $5- $10 per hand. Made a little over $150.

I'm 1 for 3 in months cleared (won), but that's still and extra $50+ per month, no risk.

I didn't keep time, but I'm guessing it's about $600 per hour of wagering at $5 a hand.

[Audi]

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Not true Webster, once you lose twice the amount of the bonus your WR is cleared.



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This is definetly wrong.

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There seems to be a lot of confusion within Inter, as well as amongst players. I e-mailed RyanH the manager at inter, he has confirmed that wagering requirements are cleared if you lose twice the bonus amount in any month:

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Hi,

You are indeed correct. If you lose the deposit and bonus, the requirement for the month is void.
But, if you only play in the excluded games, which don't count
towards the
requirement, (Roulette, Baccarat and Craps) then our system
doesn't
recognise if you lose deposit and bonus. Basically, if you play
mainly the
excluded games you better email me to be taken off the bonus
list, as you
can't cash out with a bonus in these games.
The third scenario is, that you have not fulfilled wager
requirements in
previous month's. They are carried over and need to be
fulfilled. How did
you not fulfil the min. requirement in a previous month? For
example, you
deposit, receive the bonus but only play and wager a little and
take the
balance over to the next month. Then, you deposit again and
receive another
bonus. Because you didn't fulfil last month's requirement and
carried the
bonus over without wagering enough, you now have to fulfil the
rest of the
requirement from last month and the wager requirement from this
month's
bonus.
Hope that wasn't too confusing. I know that the wager
requirement rules are
a bit tricky to understand.

Sincerely

Ryan Hartley
Casino Manager - InterCasino


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E-mail him at: ryanhatintercasinodotcom if you don't believe me!

Clearly, if you stop wagering after losing only the bonus in any one month your wagering requirement can increase quite rapidly. For EV purposes, the less wagering you need to complete the better, no?

I've been playing at Inter for nearly 3yrs. Busted out plenty of times, won big plenty of times. Quality outfit IMO.

[TylerD]

The man speaks the truth, I encountered the same thing at Littlewoods casino, busted one month cashed out the bonus the next with just over the mimimum wagering requirements.

[josie_wales]

Hey all,

The way I looked at it was this: I dont feel like going through all that garbage to win $50 or so. So I went to the craps table, threw $25 on the Pass, backed it with $75 and if I won---great, if not...Move on to playing some poker.

I figured I would do this twice, which I did. I hit a couple of 7's and the point twice so I had like $400.

Then I uses this to play 5 hands of $5 at a time.

Won $1100.

On a side note, tried the same thing at Caribean Sun, and lost within 5minutes /images/graemlins/frown.gif

JW