$10 SnG @ party

[foofighter]

Is it just me is there always someone going all-in right off the bat in these things? I have only completed 29 tourneys but always someone is going out right away. I have always stayed out of the way early until yesterday when i got AKo on the 2nd hand then pocket Qs. I was just wondering if i played them correctly being so early?


the second hand...

***** Hand History for Game 392645104 *****
15/30 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 2290553) - Sat Feb 14 16:10:47 EST 2004
Table Card Room Table 4305 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: glamdrig00 (800)
Seat 2: moonlight113 (800)
Seat 3: casfaf (800)
Seat 4: shontz4141 (785)
Seat 5: Sody21 (800)
Seat 6: foofighter (800)
Seat 7: holdem4ever (830)
Seat 8: justdeal_em (785)
Seat 9: andrewwk (800)
Seat 10: edwardcolten (800)
justdeal_em posts small blind (10)
andrewwk posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to foofighter [ Ad, Ks ]
edwardcolten calls (15)
glamdrig00 folds.
moonlight113 calls (15)
casfaf folds.
shontz4141 calls (15)
Sody21 folds.
foofighter raises (70) to 70
holdem4ever calls (70)
justdeal_em calls (60)
andrewwk folds.
edwardcolten calls (55)
moonlight113 raises (785) to 800
moonlight113 is all-In.
shontz4141 folds.
foofighter calls (730)
foofighter is all-In.
holdem4ever folds.
justdeal_em folds.
edwardcolten folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6d, 9d, 4h ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Jh ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 3d ]
Creating Main Pot with $1840 with moonlight113
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1840
Board: [ 6d 9d 4h Jh 3d ]
glamdrig00 balance 800, didn't bet (folded)
moonlight113 balance 0, lost 800 [ Ah 7h ] [ high card ace -- Ah,Jh,9d,7h,6d ]
casfaf balance 800, didn't bet (folded)
shontz4141 balance 770, lost 15 (folded)
Sody21 balance 800, didn't bet (folded)
foofighter balance 1840, bet 800, collected 1840, net +1040 [ Ad Ks ] [ high card ace with king kicker -- Ad,Ks,Jh,9d,6d ]
holdem4ever balance 760, lost 70 (folded)
justdeal_em balance 715, lost 70 (folded)
andrewwk balance 785, lost 15 (folded)
edwardcolten balance 730, lost 70 (folded)


then the third hand....

***** Hand History for Game 392647527 *****
moonlight113 finished in tenth place.
15/30 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 2290553) - Sat Feb 14 16:12:21 EST 2004
Table Card Room Table 4305 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: glamdrig00 (800)
Seat 3: casfaf (800)
Seat 4: shontz4141 (770)
Seat 5: Sody21 (800)
Seat 6: foofighter (1840)
Seat 7: holdem4ever (760)
Seat 8: justdeal_em (715)
Seat 9: andrewwk (785)
Seat 10: edwardcolten (730)
andrewwk posts small blind (10)
edwardcolten posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to foofighter [ Qs, Qh ]
glamdrig00 folds.
casfaf folds.
shontz4141 calls (15)
Sody21 folds.
foofighter raises (60) to 60
holdem4ever raises (300) to 300
justdeal_em folds.
andrewwk folds.
edwardcolten folds.
shontz4141 folds.
foofighter calls (240)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5s, 2c, As ]
foofighter checks.
holdem4ever bets (460)
holdem4ever is all-In
foofighter calls (460)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 3h ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 6h ]
Creating Main Pot with $1560 with holdem4ever
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1560 |
Board: [ 5s 2c As 3h 6h ]
glamdrig00 balance 800, didn't bet (folded)
casfaf balance 800, didn't bet (folded)
shontz4141 balance 755, lost 15 (folded)
Sody21 balance 800, didn't bet (folded)
foofighter balance 1080, lost 760 [ Qs Qh ] [ a pair of queens -- As,Qs,Qh,6h,5s ]
holdem4ever balance 1560, bet 760, collected 1560, net +800 [ Kc Kd ] [ a pair of kings -- As,Kc,Kd,6h,5s ]
justdeal_em balance 715, didn't bet (folded)
andrewwk balance 775, lost 10 (folded)
edwardcolten balance 715, lost 15 (folded)

[La Brujita]

Unfortunately, I think you may have played them both wrong. On the first hand, you should consider making a larger (pot sized) raise with AK. When you are reraised that big you might want to hold back and fight another day. You are an underdog to any pp. AK is a drawing hand and not overplaying it is key to becoming a winning player. The time you are happy to go all in/call an all in with AK is when you are short stacked and need to be aggressive.

When looking back and deciding if you made a good decision, don't look at results but look at decision making and the range of hands someone could be on.

Third hand, again you should have raised more (pot size +10% might be good). This may be contraversial but I would have reraised all in or folded my QQ. Otherwise you have no idea where you are at when an A or K flops. Tough decision on the flop after a flat call because opponent might push with anything. The play of the third hand is very odd in classic poker terms in that opponent makes a huge reraise basically committing himself to the pot.

Part of the problem is the shallowness of the money at PP.

These are just my opinions on the hand so take them fwiw.

[AleoMagus]

This is a very often debated topic on this message board and one you are not likely to get a consensus about.

The two sides to the argument go like this...

A) Yes, take the early gambles if you have the best of it. When you double up, your chances are that much better, and when you bust there is always another sng to effectively 'rebuy' into. Furthermore, This should increase your hourly rate because it will lower your average time per tourney by trading what would be some 4th/5th place finishes for 10ths and 1sts. There are plenty of fish, so you are not risking passing up later good bets by busting from this tourney now. I like this position, but it will increase your variance

B) Do not take a coin toss gamble early in a tourney that you have about even odds of making the money in anyways. If you are a much better player than your opponents, you are doing them a favour by giving them such a good bet against you. If you get all in now, you will not have a chance to outplay them later and you are negating your skill advantage by taking such small edges. I probably don't do this side of the argument justice...

The resaon why I like the first side of the argument so much is that on Partypoker, these big all-ins early are not always coin toss gambles at all. AK will often dominate in these situations and high pocket pairs like QQ will often be 70-30 favorites or better

As for how you played them... I don't like how you played the queens. If it was me, I would have moved in against the reraise (Partypoker $10+1. Against better competition I just call or maybe even fold). Even if you just call, with the reraise preflop, that flopped ace has to scare you off those queens.

I certainly wouldn't have checked if you were just going to call an all-in anyways. You might have won that pot by moving in first on the flop. His kings would be awfully scared of that ace for the same reason.

Regards,
Brad S