poker tracker stats. other thoughts

[VeryTnA]

VP$IP (19.48)
WtSD (30.41)
Won at SD (51.15)
Flops seen when not in blind (16.48)

OK...there are my stats. Whats your take?

I've recently noticed some big changes in the way many people are playing. Has anyone else noticed specfic differences? The thing that stands out more and more is the way small pocket pairs are played. Usually any position and many times to river on very scary flops.

[Adde]

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VP$IP (19.48)
WtSD (30.41)
Won at SD (51.15)
Flops seen when not in blind (16.48)

OK...there are my stats. Whats your take?

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Maybe paying too many hands at showdown; your Won at SD would feel much better in the high 50s or low 60s. Hard to say without knowing the sample size though.

EDIT: You can tighten up a bit I think, but that might be a matter of playing styles. My preflop stats are a bit tighter than yours, about half a hand per round, 14.48 (vp$ip) and 11.31(not in blind).

End of my take.

[ElSapo]

I'll agree with Adde here... my stats, which are by no means a model of perfection, are around 57% or 58% in this category.

[VeryTnA]

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VP$IP (19.48)
WtSD (30.41)
Won at SD (51.15)
Flops seen when not in blind (16.48)

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I'll agree with Adde here... my stats, which are by no means a model of perfection, are around 57% or 58% in this category.

[/ QUOTE ] Thanks for the feed back. I guessed my show down stats would be low. I've lost quite a few hands the last month when the turn or river made small sets for my opponents. I guess I am somewhat old school. Only limp with small pairs in late position. Then follow the creed "NO SET, NO BET" on the flop. Its very very rare the pot would be large enough to chase a two outer. This kind of play has to catch up sooner or later. Right now it looks more later than sooner. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Adde]

Only limp with small pairs in late position. Then follow the creed "NO SET, NO BET" on the flop.

The follow up is good, but I think you are giving up too much when only limping from last position. With small pairs (and I consider 88-22 to be small) I try to see the flop for one bet if I expect it to be at least 5- or 6-way, otherwise I fold (except for blind stealing). With that many opponents you will get proper pot odds (you will make a set about 1 in 9 times).

This translates to limping when at least 3 have called before you (3+you+BB=5-way; +SB=nearly 6-way). In EP you throw them, but in MP you might be able to limp in.

[astroglide]

with about 90,000 3/6 hands:

21.56 vpip
30.55 from sb
85.62 folded in sb to steal
54.77 folded in bb to steal
27.86 tried to steal
34.34 won when saw flop
3.08 bb/100 hands
38.77 went to showdown
48.47 won at showdown
8.94 preflop raise
$11,988.50 in rake :O

results are a little over my actual results because of screwed up party hand histories (i always skip the ones where it can't figure out the big blind), so my bb/100 is slightly but not grossly inflated.

[MS Sunshine]

Nice numbers.

38.77 went to showdown
48.47 won at showdown

These might be OK for the limit you are playing, I really don't know, BUT it looks like you are playing(either calling or betting) losers to the SD. Your won SD should be higher for sure(55-60%) and alot of us seem to have played to SD numbers around 30. IMO

As I said I like your numbers and your 3/100BB proves that out. What are your play by position numbers, if I might ask?

MS Sunshine

[astroglide]

co_otb total_hands co_vp co_cc co_wins co_pct_wsf co_blind co_total_won co_diff co_bb_hand co_sd_pct co_sd_win pf_raise co_rfi
BUTTON 10024 24.1421 2.7135 10.1756 39.3691 N/A 6409.5 N/A 0.1066 41.7027 48.601 12.5 3.6812
1 9460 21.0571 2.1353 8.8266 38.8565 N/A 4564.5 N/A 0.0804 44.1503 47.0024 11.8182 4.2283
2 9654 20.6029 1.3673 8.7943 38.7236 N/A 3798 N/A 0.0656 45.6463 45.4976 11.3528 5.5107
3 9615 18.9912 1.092 8.4971 41.7056 N/A 5156.5 N/A 0.0894 42.465 50.8941 9.298 5.2938
4 9396 19.2422 0.8834 8.2163 39.6481 N/A 4491.5 N/A 0.0797 43.8123 51.2718 8.3227 5.3001
5 8797 17.7333 0.432 7.3775 39.2328 N/A 3604 N/A 0.0683 45.2894 50.5201 6.775 4.8426
6 7008 16.7095 0.1427 6.7922 38.7097 N/A 2225.5 N/A 0.0529 44.3548 49.0909 6.7352 5.6935
7 3639 16.598 0 6.6502 39.2555 N/A 1867 N/A 0.0855 45.6853 49.6296 5.8533 5.4411
BB 10451 24.4857 0 22.084 26.4891 "$31,365.00" -11054 "$20,311.00" -0.1763 30.4382 48.1466 6.4683 0.4784
SB 9975 30.5464 0 10.5764 32.6358 "$9,975.00" -4801 "$5,174.00" -0.0802 38.3733 47.1416 7.6892 2.2857

you make sense of it /images/graemlins/smile.gif don't feel like typing it all out...

[tiltboy]

90,000 / 100 * 3.08 * $6 = $16,632

Very nice.

[MS Sunshine]

b 24 20
1 21 19
2 20 17
3 19 15
4 19 14
5 18 13
6 17 10
7 17 10
B 24 24
S 30 32

These are your stats(1st col) vs my $10-20 stats. Our LP and blinds are almost the same, but you play much more upfront than I. This could be a function of the different types of games we play. I would look at how your short pairs and Axs do up front. I doubt you are playing things like KJo upfront. Anyways who am I to be giving advice to a 3/100 hand winner?

Good luck

MS Sunshine

[astroglide]

yeah, but my actual results are a little south of 15k. like i said, i skip the bb error hands in pt. i suspect a lot of those may be MY big blind from my first sit at a table, and it's not accounting for my typical blind loss there.

since i've already disclosed this much, i play 6 tables of 3/6. been playing that solely since 11/08, put in ~250 hours. stddev is $212/hr. win rate is usually a little under $60/hr.

[astroglide]

i could certainly still use advice. i have limped too often with pairs specifically. i still feel comfortable with Axs in any position. i'm working on the pair play now, i think i play them pretty well when i'm 'on'.

as for KJo, i only begin playing that in lmp. it's still one of my most signifigant 'should not be losing with this hand, but you are' hands. i've got K/Q/JTo profitable.

[astroglide]

in the last month of play (about 15k hands) i've got 19.73 vpip, 90.5 folded sb, 61 folded bb, 5.59 bb/100 (?!), 38.55 went to showdown, 52.38 won at showdown.

i went from mid-limit (2-table 20/40 at paradise) to 6-table party 3/6, so the shock was a little strong at first. certainly i overplayed hands, played too many hands, etc. i think i've got a decent handle on 3/6 at this point though.

[MS Sunshine]

KQ and TT are my problem children up front. My biggest earn from a simple rule was Abdul's on pairs. Play 22 on the button and then a higher pair for each position off the button. Full ring game you need 99 UTG.

MS Sunshine

[astroglide]

abdul's preflop recommendations are generally for openRAISING though, right? i think i'd be pissing away money if i didn't limp with 66 utg, for example.

tt i think i have a pretty good grip on, mixing up limping/raising depending on the table mood and # of players.

KQo utg i'm 0.14 bb/hand, pfr 38.64
TT utg i'm 0.29 bb/hand, pfr 40.00

[MS Sunshine]

Abdul (http://www.posev.com/poker/holdem/strategy/preflop-abdul.html) doesn't mention open raising or not, but most would say that you should be raising first in up front. More importantly I say it.

You have a huge database in front of you. You are a winning player. How do you do playing small pairs, below Abdul's, in front?


MS Sunshine

[astroglide]

it's alluded to: "Most hands are worth less than the blinds and so for most hands stealing the blinds is a coup; hence, raising is correct for most hands." i think it can be inferred from recommendations like a9o in the co+1; if i ever were to play that hand it that position, it would only be with an openraise.

44/33/22 i will only play if there's action left and there's a limper in front of me. for example, i won't limp utg. i will overlimp utg+1 if utg limps. i will not overlimp from the co if co+1 limps.

88-55 i'll limp utg, and i'm generally a bit more slack about my requirements.

99/tt i will raise a limper if i'm in mp (or even emp if the game is tighter), otherwise overlimp. as per my other post, i raise tt utg 40% of the time. 99 i'll only raise utg if it's tighter.

i don't mind cold-calling pairs if it's an action table. if utg raises, i often won't mind cold-calling utg+1. ditto overcolding emp if utg raised and an ep player called. if utg raises and it's folded to me in mp w/77, i would fold.

judging from my results a2s/a3s should be an 'only overlimp' hand as well, but i had pretty much forgotten that i had adopted that policy heh. i need to re-look, as i haven't done a good db printout/analysis in a month or so.

[MS Sunshine]

it's alluded to: "Most hands are worth less than the blinds and so for most hands stealing the blinds is a coup; hence, raising is correct for most hands." i think it can be inferred from recommendations like a9o in the co+1; if i ever were to play that hand it that position, it would only be with an openraise.

44/33/22 i will only play if there's action left and there's a limper in front of me. for example, i won't limp utg. i will overlimp utg+1 if utg limps. i will not overlimp from the co if co+1 limps.

88-55 i'll limp anywhere, and i'm generally a bit more slack about my requirements.

99/tt i will raise a limper if i'm in mp (or even emp if the game is tighter), otherwise overlimp.

i don't mind cold-calling pairs if it's an action table. if utg raises, i often won't mind cold-calling utg+1.

I want JJ or better in this position.
ditto overcolding emp if utg raised and an ep player called. if utg raises and it's folded to me in mp w/77, i would fold. agreed

The rest I have a problem tying down.

MS Sunshine

[astroglide]

i've got no problem colding, say, 66 utg+1 if it's a nice, loose 3/6 table. cold-calling invites more cold-calling around there like you wouldn't believe.

what do you mean by 'the rest i have a problem tying down'?