How badly played was this?

[Illininate]

Party Poker 1/2 (10 handed)
One of the loosest tables I've seen at the 1/2 level in a long time.. people calling 2 or 3 cold preflop routinely, and almost the whole table had a mindset of "I'm going to call all the way to the river with anything remotely resembling a draw and then fold when I don't hit." In a word: wonderful.

Hero has 7 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8 /images/graemlins/heart.gif and is SB

UTG limps, EP1 limps, MP2 limps, MP3 limps, Button folds, Hero limps, BB checks

With all the limpers, I thought this was a pretty easy complete from the SB.

Flop(6 SB): 9 /images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3 /images/graemlins/spade.gif, T /images/graemlins/heart.gif

Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, EP1 checks, MP2 bets, MP3 calls, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG calls, EP1 calls

Huge pot, OESD, pretty easy call, IMO.

Turn(5 1/2 BB): J /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

Bingo, hit the straight.. now I'll check-raise:

Hero checks, UTG checks, EP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks

Doh!

River(5 1/2 BB): A /images/graemlins/spade.gif

Hero checks, UTG checks, EP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks

Would have definitely bet out here if this wasn't a spade, but with all these people in.. Guess I just wussed out.

I'd like to know what ya'll think of my turn play. At the time, I was torn between betting out or going for the check raise. As I looked at it, if I got the check-raise in, I'd put anyone with spades in a position to have to make an incorrect call (pot-odds-wise) to try and catch, and since the table was so loose, I thought there was a good chance I'd get a couple of cold callers. If I'd have bet out, I figured I was almost certain to get 3 or 4 callers, all probably having the odds to try and catch.

Also, should I have bet the river out?


Results later..

Thanks,

Nate

[bisonbison]

Bet the flop. Bet the turn. Bet the river.

[Trix]

Bet flop and take it from there.

[Henke]

I agree with the other posters, just wanted to say that it seems as though you got hit by FPS on the turn (fancy play syndrome). /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Actually, checkraising is the worst option (IMHO). If MP2 would bet, MP3 call and you raise, there would be 9.5 big bets in the pot, which gives BB 4.75:1 in pot-odds. So the flushdraw could still call! Even another OESD (like Qx) would have odds to call. The only hands you can and want to drive out are AK and two-pair (fh-draws), which are getting bad odds even if you just bet out (although I don't see loose players folding a two-pair for a turn bet or c/r). If you bet out, you're also more likely to trap hands like Jx, Tx and 9x for an extra bet (which they wouldn't have called if they knew what you had).

[Illininate]

Thanks for the reply.

As I wrote it up, it seemed more and more to me that betting out on the turn probably was best. I guess that's why writing up hands is helpful /images/graemlins/grin.gif.

[Illininate]

Opponents turned over various crappy holdings, all amounting to Ace-high, and MHIG.

I was just wondering about betting out the flop. I generally would have bet a flush draw or a straight/flush draw, but it never occured to me to bet just an OES draw. I guess that's partly because I've grown accustomed to playing tighter games at 1/2, where over my past 8,000 hands or so the average number of players seeing the flop is about 3.4. If there were only 2 others instead of 5 others, would check/call have been appropriate?

Thanks,

Nate

[Henke]

If there were only 2 others instead of 5 others, would check/call have been appropriate?

Yes, if you don't think a bet will make them fold.

[Henke]

Sometimes when I go through my hand histories, it feels like /images/graemlins/crazy.gif /images/graemlins/blush.gif /images/graemlins/frown.gif /images/graemlins/confused.gif /images/graemlins/shocked.gif /images/graemlins/mad.gif /images/graemlins/tongue.gif. But it sure helps! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Shawsy]

That's sound advice.

On the turn, you made your straight, but not the nut straight, and you had a flush draw to contend with. Giving them a free draw (infinite odds) is a lot worse than making them call a bet, even if they are getting the right odds.