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jasonHoldEm
02-10-2004, 03:46 AM
Party 3/6

I have http://www.pokerodyssey.com/img/cards/ah.jpg http://www.pokerodyssey.com/img/cards/9h.jpg in the BB.

MP open raises, Button cold calls, SB calls, I call.

FLOP: http://www.pokerodyssey.com/img/cards/as.jpg http://www.pokerodyssey.com/img/cards/5h.jpg http://www.pokerodyssey.com/img/cards/7h.jpg

SB checks, I bet, MP raises, button coldcalls, SB folds, I three-bet, MP and button call.

TURN: http://www.pokerodyssey.com/img/cards/6h.jpg

I check, MP bets, button raises, I three-bet, MP folds, button calls

RIVER: http://www.pokerodyssey.com/img/cards/ac.jpg

I bet, button calls.

Bet out on the turn instead of going for the check/raise?

Thanks,
Jason

PS - I stole the images from someone who used to post with them (vehn?)...I now have them on my site...if anyone wants to use them feel free.

Brian
02-10-2004, 04:20 AM
Hi Jason,

Long time, no updates on the Poker Odyssey thing. /images/graemlins/wink.gif I am doing the same thing you are, using the same amount of BB/level etc. I am continuing to 3 table Empire 3/6, and playing 1 table at Party .5/1 at the moment, devoting all my attention to it. .5/1 hasn't been going so well for me so far, I am up around 35 bucks so far.

Anyways, on to the hand. I think I would've played it the exact same way. The re-raise on the Flop is good for two reasons. 1, for value. You could have the best hand right now if MP gets too attached to his high pocket pairs post-Flop, but, if not, you have 12 likely outs assuming you are only against a pair. 2, for something Clark said yesterday which I have never heard before, but makes a lot of sense to me. You are betting out on the Turn if you don't hit your Flush draw, and you don't want the MP player to raise you. So you re-raise the Flop to scare him into just calling down if he does indeed have AK. I hope I interpreted that correctly.

I would probably have tried for a check-raise on the Turn as well, namely because most people tend to bet the Turn when checked to, at least at Party 3/6.

-Brian

Bob T.
02-10-2004, 04:30 AM
The other question, is would checkraising the flop usually get more bets in then betting into the preflop raiser. It might be better to try and get two bets in on the installment plan rather than expecting them to coldcall a likely raise on the flop. But you probably got the maximum in, the way you played it.

After I three bet the flop, I think that I would lead the turn, and hope that someone made a smaller flush. As it turned out, your opponents both liked the turn card enough that once again you probably got at least as much action as you would have the other way.

Nice hand.

Good luck,
Play well,
Bob T.

Catch of the Day
02-10-2004, 05:05 AM
I think you played it well...

Pre-flop: Yeah easy call.

Flop: yeah, I might not have 3 bet, but thats just me. Pumping you nut flush is fun, but your drawing. In showing aggression there then I think your obligated to open bet on any turn card. But thats okay, I am just not sure If its the best call...

Turn: (Pretty pretty card) Yeah check...Any lower flush is betting out here and with really no cards that you fear on the river for the most part, I think yeah check and then see what happens. A strong Ace with no heart would bet here too as to not give a lone heart a re-draw, as would a made set.

River: Not the best card for you, but bet and see what happens, Btw, what did happened???

Its an intesting Hand...What the did the button have???
Lower flush is my guess...Qx hearts maybe, or Kx...

Hope I helped

-Catch-

jasonHoldEm
02-10-2004, 12:11 PM
Button had K /images/graemlins/heart.gif J /images/graemlins/heart.gif. Thanks for the responses.

Jason

k000k
02-10-2004, 12:53 PM
I'd bet it out.. He surely wouldn't re-raise an already-raised pot PF with A5 or A7, so I'd put him on AA or KK.. After the flop, KK seems unlikely. I wouldn't expect him to bet too much on a K- flush, but I'd certainly stay in in case someone's chasing aces or a straight, so his calling makes sense for that. When the river A shows up, you know AA is out and he's probably beat (unless he was making some terrible plays in the beginning).. You haven't let up the whole hand, so I'd be wary of you if I was him.

Gonzoman
02-10-2004, 03:55 PM
Isn't 3-betting the flop almost automatic with the nut-flush draw and top pair with 2 very likely callers? I'd bet out on the turn as my 3-bet to most typical players means 2-pair or a set. Any flush will raise allowing for a 3-bet, but the turn check-raise worked out fine for the poster here.