Floppet set with pocket 9's

[Saborion]

3/6 at Party. A bit of everything at this table. 10-handed.
SB seems to be able to play at least somewhat properly.

I'm dealt 9 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 9 /images/graemlins/spade.gif in MP1.
EP3 open-limps, I limp, CO (poster) checks, SB raise, EP3 calls, I call, CO calls.
4 to the flop.

3.5 BB [3 /images/graemlins/club.gif 9 /images/graemlins/club.gif 6 /images/graemlins/club.gif]
SB bets, EP3 calls, I raise, CO folds, SB 3-bets, EP3 calls, I cap, they both call.
3 to the turn.

7 BB [3 /images/graemlins/club.gif 9 /images/graemlins/club.gif 6 /images/graemlins/club.gif] K /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
Checked to me, I bet, they both call.
3 to the river.

9.5 BB [3 /images/graemlins/club.gif 9 /images/graemlins/club.gif 6 /images/graemlins/club.gif K /images/graemlins/diamond.gif] A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
Checked to me, what do I do?

[bunky9590]

Bet the river

[JohnShaft]

I'm moving away from Limit lately, so take this with a pinch of salt.

But I think I might well call the SB's Flop 3-bet, and Raise the Turn if a Club doesn't hit.

Advantages?
1. You can probably catch the caller in the middle on the Turn if the SB bets as you would expect.
2. You get a Raise in when it's more expensive for them.
3. You can get that Raise in when it's 4-1 against the Flush, as opposed to 2-1.
4. You are much less likely to be checkraised (by say the made flush) because the best isn't expected to come from you.

Oh, and yes, I'm with Bunky, bet the River like 110% of the time.

[Saborion]

Yah, I was thinking about that. And when I reviewed the hand, I thought that would be the best option as well.

But I've tried that on occasions, and sometimes the aggressor on the previous round doesn't always bet out. But in the long run, I suppose that's the best option, especially since if the EP bet out it'll make up for the times they don't. And I cannot be check-raised by the flush as you said.

[Inthacup]

I would still bet, but I fear that you may have been rivered by A /images/graemlins/club.gifA /images/graemlins/heart.gif


Cup

[brian0729]

Raise pre flop

Bet the river everytime

[Saborion]

Those were exactly my thoughts at the table. I did bet, and I was rivered.

The question is, could this have been avoided by only calling his 3-bet on the flop, and raised him on the turn if he had be there? If someone had made something like that against me, I would considered myself drawing very slim. I wouldn't fold though, unless I was VERY sure I was dead.

[JohnShaft]

If he had the A /images/graemlins/club.gif he's obviously not folding.
If you'd Turn raised him then he may have folded, if he was a good player capable of laying down. (a non club AA)

But another reason I bet the River, even though he Rivered the 2-outer is, you're only losing a bet as he is not likely to Checkraise you.
Checking the River would only have Value if he was Checkraising you almost all the time with AA, and on this board, with a caller after him, I just don't think that is going to happen often.

[Inthacup]

The question is, could this have been avoided by only calling his 3-bet on the flop, and raised him on the turn if he had be there?


There is simply no way you're going to move him off the A /images/graemlins/club.gif. I consider it HIGHLY unlikely that he would fold any high over pair regardless of your flop and turn play. I think you played the hand well.



Cup

[Saborion]

No, but what if he didn't have the A or K of clubs?

And, if I just had smooth-called his flop 3-bet and raised the turn instead, I'm not as likely to be check-raised by a made flush. Or?

[Inthacup]

Club or not, I doubt he's gonna fold. If he's got an overpair with no club, do you honestly want him to fold?


Cup

[Saborion]

No. I guess don't. /images/graemlins/grin.gif