Dentist
02-04-2004, 05:31 PM
My dilemmas of the night.. flopped sets on scary boards... badly played or just bad luck?
I'm an average stack in the tournament with the blinds at 100-200 on Pokerstars.
3 players limped and so I limp in as well with RED Pocket 4's on the button.
The BB checks and 5 players take a flop that comes:
A K 4 ALL CLUBS
BB checks, 1st to act Bets 1/2 pot
2nd player calls, 3rd folds
and it's on me...
I felt like the first bet was an Ace betting, and the 2nd caller had a flush draw.... I felt strongly that I had the best hand.
So I raised the size of the pot.
The first player called for the rest of their stack (which was relatively short)
The other caller pushed in the rest of his chips (not much more) and I had him covered and was pot-committed.
The first player had an AJ with no club
The second player had the "nut flush draw" with Qc9s
A club hits the turn and i'm left very short stacked...
Was this an incidence where with bottom set on a scary board that I should have been inclined to fold.. especially with a better and caller in?
Or should I never have been in the hand to begin with?
Hand 2:
Much later in the tourney (after I made some sensational moves and doubled several times after that bad beat)
TWO tables left (300 started):
I have about 40,000 in chips
Blinds 1500-3000
Player directly to my left who has 55,000 in chips and whose play I have no line on makes the minimum raise to 6,000
I have 88.. I'm in 4th position out of 14 at this point, the money doesn't go up until the final table..
I consider 3-betting but the tables had gotten so tight lately that I feared him coming over the top... however I felt that if I could flop a set or an overpair if low cards came that I could have a chance at his stack..
So I called the raise and the blinds folded and the flop came:
8 7 6 with 2 hearts.
Obviously I'm elated..
He checks and I firmly believe this is NO time to slowplay - so I bet the pot (17,000)
He check-raised all in....
My immediate thoughts were... he's got an overpair or something like A8.. or he's putting me on making a move and wants to "re-move"..
I quickly call because I couldn't fear him flopping a straight heads-up like that...
He flips over K 9 of spades... so I'm facing an open ended straight draw plus a runner runner flush draw...
He hits the 10 on the turn and I'm OUTTA here!!!!
I know not to be results-oriented.. but somehow I feel something went wrong here.. I mean, I asked him if I'd 3-bet pre-flop would he have called.... he said no..
Then I asked why he made the play.. his answer... "I put you on a move or 1 pair at best and if you only had a pair I had TONS of outs.. and even with your set, I still had 8"
these hands made me wonder if it's not just better to have a 100% chance of winning a small pot with someone folding.. or if it's better to be a 70% favorite in a monster pot...
All I keep thinking is that if I win that hand.. i'm in some SERIOUS dough in the tourney.. that would have made me the chip leader by a lot...
Advice 2+2ers?
I'm an average stack in the tournament with the blinds at 100-200 on Pokerstars.
3 players limped and so I limp in as well with RED Pocket 4's on the button.
The BB checks and 5 players take a flop that comes:
A K 4 ALL CLUBS
BB checks, 1st to act Bets 1/2 pot
2nd player calls, 3rd folds
and it's on me...
I felt like the first bet was an Ace betting, and the 2nd caller had a flush draw.... I felt strongly that I had the best hand.
So I raised the size of the pot.
The first player called for the rest of their stack (which was relatively short)
The other caller pushed in the rest of his chips (not much more) and I had him covered and was pot-committed.
The first player had an AJ with no club
The second player had the "nut flush draw" with Qc9s
A club hits the turn and i'm left very short stacked...
Was this an incidence where with bottom set on a scary board that I should have been inclined to fold.. especially with a better and caller in?
Or should I never have been in the hand to begin with?
Hand 2:
Much later in the tourney (after I made some sensational moves and doubled several times after that bad beat)
TWO tables left (300 started):
I have about 40,000 in chips
Blinds 1500-3000
Player directly to my left who has 55,000 in chips and whose play I have no line on makes the minimum raise to 6,000
I have 88.. I'm in 4th position out of 14 at this point, the money doesn't go up until the final table..
I consider 3-betting but the tables had gotten so tight lately that I feared him coming over the top... however I felt that if I could flop a set or an overpair if low cards came that I could have a chance at his stack..
So I called the raise and the blinds folded and the flop came:
8 7 6 with 2 hearts.
Obviously I'm elated..
He checks and I firmly believe this is NO time to slowplay - so I bet the pot (17,000)
He check-raised all in....
My immediate thoughts were... he's got an overpair or something like A8.. or he's putting me on making a move and wants to "re-move"..
I quickly call because I couldn't fear him flopping a straight heads-up like that...
He flips over K 9 of spades... so I'm facing an open ended straight draw plus a runner runner flush draw...
He hits the 10 on the turn and I'm OUTTA here!!!!
I know not to be results-oriented.. but somehow I feel something went wrong here.. I mean, I asked him if I'd 3-bet pre-flop would he have called.... he said no..
Then I asked why he made the play.. his answer... "I put you on a move or 1 pair at best and if you only had a pair I had TONS of outs.. and even with your set, I still had 8"
these hands made me wonder if it's not just better to have a 100% chance of winning a small pot with someone folding.. or if it's better to be a 70% favorite in a monster pot...
All I keep thinking is that if I win that hand.. i'm in some SERIOUS dough in the tourney.. that would have made me the chip leader by a lot...
Advice 2+2ers?