Warning: DO NOT get involved with Cyndie

[Elizabeth-Anne]

Cyndie is like Cyanide for your precious time and money.

She has not paid her props for months and has no intention of doing so.

Perhaps she wants to keep extra profits. IMO the real reason she witholds the payments is because she gets off from doing it. She likes having power over other people and to ruin them.

Cyndie blackmails her props, and she had them sign a non-disclosure agreement. Cyndie threatens them and her props are scared to publicly complain.

[JayLeno]

Does she run a pokersite since shes having probs?
Why is evrybody angry at her?

[jek187]

Cyndie is a prolific spammer, using both 2+2 PMs and pulling email addresses from her site to send out spam.

Cyndie has not payed her "props" at nightorday poker.

Cyndie has a total disregard for the truth.

Cyndie makes posts filled with indecipherable gibberish to pad her post total.

Cyndie uses this forum to try and recruit new and naive players into her shady programs.

Cyndie has already been banned from 2+2 once.

And this is just a list off the top of my head about her public shenannigans. I won't even get started on the crap I've come across by private means. Suffice it to say, she needs to be avoided at all costs.

[detox]

Cyndie uses this forum to try and recruit new and naive players into her shady programs.

What program are you recruting for.....bonuswhat? whores

[jek187]

Yes, I recruit BonusWhores.
The sig is mandatory.
I purchase advertising here.

You have now received the level 1 Troll Stock Response. If you progress to level 2, I may actually remember you once you've faded away into the nothingness you've came from.

[Redhot_man]

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Yes, I recruit BonusWhores.
The sig is mandatory.
I purchase advertising here.

You have now received the level 1 Troll Stock Response. If you progress to level 2, I may actually remember you once you've faded away into the nothingness you've came from.

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do you have to pay to have that signature?
Or do you have a banner? (I have never seen your banner)

[jek187]

Repeat: The sig is mandatory

We let the banner lapse for a month, It was here Nov/Dec and we expect to bring it back for Feb.

[detox]

We let the banner lapse for a month, It was here Nov/Dec and we expect to bring it back for Feb.

Obviously a strategic marketing decision

[Redhot_man]

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Repeat: The sig is mandatory

We let the banner lapse for a month, It was here Nov/Dec and we expect to bring it back for Feb.

[/ QUOTE ]

I visited your site. I cant believe soemone would be stupid enough to pay you for hand analysis when they could easily come to 2+2 and recieve the same thing free of charge.

Your reviews, with the grades, were very good, although I am not sure why anyone would want to sign up through you when they can use an affiliate.

[jek187]

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I cant believe soemone would be stupid enough to pay you for hand analysis when they could easily come to 2+2 and recieve the same thing free of charge.

[/ QUOTE ]

Drop a 100HH block on the SS forum and see how well that goes over.

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Your reviews, with the grades, were very good, although I am not sure why anyone would want to sign up through you when they can use an affiliate.

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Ty. People go through us because, by getting sign-ups, we are compensated for the hours of work put into the site. The site is free to all, that is how it stays free. We also will help anyone with problems. We do not offer the rake rebates as they are against the rules, and we prefer to stay completely on the up and up. Different strokes for different folks.

[CrackerZack]

Why sign up with an affiliate if you're signing up at a site where you don't get a rake rebate?

[Cyndie]

An affiliate can help you get problems resoved more quickly than you can yourself quite often.

They can also help find other promotions, or help you follow the rules so you get the maximum from promotions and don't mess one up.

Example...I just found out that Party is considering the many transfers I do as withdrawals, and is not paying interest on the bonus on balance. Not sure if I can get them to change this policy, since my transfers usually SAVE them money on deposit fees, but I am still working on it.

Has anyone else had the problem?

[William]

To make things clear:

AFFILIATE = BLOOD SUCKING VAMPIRE THAT WANTS A PIECE OF YOUR RAKE IN RETURN OF DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Unless you do this thru a friend and you get ALL your rake back, STOP feeding the VULTURES. /images/graemlins/mad.gif

[detox]

AFFILIATE = BLOOD SUCKING VAMPIRE THAT WANTS A PIECE OF YOUR RAKE IN RETURN OF DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.


Most affiliates here on this site offer a tremendous value for the new player.

[Losing all]

Geez Willy, that's a little rough.

[William]

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Most affiliates here on this site offer a tremendous value for the new player

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Are they? Where is your add saying you give 95% of the rake back?

Weren't you ask to explain how you can know who generates what when you have multiole affiliates?

What is your name? Or do you expect people to trust you by your freeking nick?

Haven't you been banned from 2+2 under other nick SEVERAL times already?

Does all the above makes you an honest and trusty person?

I think not! /images/graemlins/mad.gif

[detox]

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<font color="orange"> </font> Where is your add saying you give 95% of the rake back?


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Some affiliates give 50% 66% and yes even 95% back. Ill explain. For every $1 the affiliate makes he will return 95%

Affiliate gets $1.00 from a poker site and if the deal is 95% back the player gets 95 cents. See its quite easy

[ArchAngel71857]

Or do you have a banner? (I have never seen your banner)

How the hell can you miss it? For a while it was the only thing worth seeing on this site.

May your cards be live and your pots be monsters,

AA

[William]

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<font color="orange"> </font> Where is your add saying you give 95% of the rake back?


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Some affiliates give 50% 66% and yes even 95% back. Ill explain. For every $1 the affiliate makes he will return 95%

Affiliate gets $1.00 from a poker site and if the deal is 95% back the player gets 95 cents. See its quite easy

[/ QUOTE ]

How does the BS you are writting answer ANY of the aquestions you were asked?

Do you really believe all 2+2 are mentally retarded? /images/graemlins/mad.gif

[Inthacup]

AFFILIATE = BLOOD SUCKING VAMPIRE THAT WANTS A PIECE OF YOUR RAKE IN RETURN OF DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.


William, while your opinion is clear, I think your judgement is clouded. An affiliate isn't taking a cut of YOUR rake. The poker site takes a cut of YOUR rake. An affiliate takes a cut of what the site takes. The affiliate takes from the site, not from the player. And there is no forking way that that this has anything to do with the amount the site charges us in rake. Look at UB, their rake is among the highest on the net and their MGR affiliate program returns less money to affiliates than any other.


Unless you do this thru a friend and you get ALL your rake back, STOP feeding the VULTURES.

There are several players on my affiliate program that have been helped tremendously by the advice I've given them. Aside from the extra bonuses they wouldn't have otherwise received, in many cases, I've helped them with starting hand strategies and critiqued hand histories. I see nothing wrong with mutually beneficial affiliate programs.

What does this hatred stem from?



Cup

[JPNet]

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To make things clear:

AFFILIATE = BLOOD SUCKING VAMPIRE THAT WANTS A PIECE OF YOUR RAKE IN RETURN OF DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.



[/ QUOTE ]
I don't get it. I can sign up on my own, pay the rake on each hand and get $0 back, or I can sign up through an affiliate, pay exactly the same rake, and get some of the rake back in my bankroll. Even if the affiliate site did absolutely nothing else it seems like a good deal to me!

[William]

What does this hatred stem from?

Let's say I don't like people who take a rake. I know you are one of the quiet ones and i have nothing against you´( as opposed to the other crying spamers, who make this site unreadable) but I still think it's a "below all" form of income you (and others) have there.
Regarding your "help" with starting hands and helping strategies, only one comment: a good poker book costs around 30$

Take care,
William

[William]

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[/qu don't get it. I can sign up on my own, pay the rake on each hand and get $0 back, or I can sign up through an affiliate, pay exactly the same rake, and get some of the rake back in my bankroll. Even if the affiliate site did absolutely nothing else it seems like a good deal to me!
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True, but you encourage people to make a living out of other people myseries (the rake).
opportunists? is that what they are called?

[Stagemusic]

I really think that you are missing the concept of what they are doing.

There are two ways (maybe more but we will concentrate on two) to sign up for a site. With an afilliate and without.

Without: I deposit into the site with no "code"
1. I go and play games
2. I pay a rake for playing those games
3. The site keeps my rake money

With: I join a site using a "code"

1. I go and play games
2. I pay a rake for playing those games
3. The site pays my afilliate a portion of the money that they rake.
4. My afilliate gives me some of my money back.

OK...now HOW does that equate to what you were saying when you wrote:

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Let's say I don't like people who take a rake.

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I just don't understand your logic /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[William]

Yep, when I had a business, ocasionally a customer wouldn't pay. Then I was forced to hire a lawyer to get mine money and they kept 30% of it.

Do I need the lawyer? yes
Do I like the lawyer? no
Do I think a person wich job is to get rich because the world is infested with dishonest people deserves my respect? no
If I could do anything to prevent the existance of such persons, would I give up a few bucks? yes
Do you understand my logic or does it itches when you might have to give up a few bucks a months? guess it itches
Ethics? have you ever heard about them? guess not

[Cyndie]

Marketing and legal issues are totally different examples.

The cost of acquiring customers is a logical cost of doing business. It helps improve the quality of goods and services through competition, and for that reason alone is worthwhile. It also helps increase the number of people who purchase a product or a service by letting them know.

In the long run, good marketing campaigns save the consumer money, because of economics of scale.., when more people do something it costs less per person for the product or service...it takes a while, but competition does bring down the cost of the service.

As far as attorneys, Ben Franklin may have had it right in many cases. He suggested that the practice of law was honorable, but the charging of money for the service wasn't...I don't necessarily believe that, but for sure the "punitive damage awards" should go to help the people who don't get lucky enough to find "deep pockets" to sue.

[Stagemusic]

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Ethics? have you ever heard about them? guess not

[/ QUOTE ]

Huh? You question my ethics because I can see nothing wrong with getting a rebate on something that I pay for? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Particularly when this practice is not only condoned but supported by the site.

Your lawyer analogy is suspect as well. With a lawyer, you are paying for a professional service and should expect a certain level of expertise for your money. A rebate is a marketing tool that is used by many many companies. Auto manufacturers, Computer companies, Software, even loan companies use rebates of all types to spur business. This is absolutely no different. Your argument holds no water whatsoever and is becoming suspect. Have you been burned by a bad one? If so, I'm sorry. There are honest ones like Cup and JEK out there who do a great job and are honest to a fault.

Don't question the ethics of something you obviously don't understand. This is not an ethical question at all, but a standard practice in this and many other industries.

[Bubmack]

Yes...and why should poker be any different than the rest of the world...where people receive commissions for selling a product?

To complain about affilaites for advertising poker because of the rake - would be similar to saying that all of poker has no value and that it should all be stopped since most people lose money.

Affiliates are marketers (I am not talking about the spammers of the world) and they offer a valuable service to the poker sites. Who cares if people lose money because of there marketing. We play poker and people lose money. If it is miserable for you...then stop playing.

and if you didn't know....affilaites are not specific to poker. About every company with a website has an affilaite program....from tires to porn....there are affiliate programs everywhere.

Bubs

[pudley4]

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What does this hatred stem from?

Let's say I don't like people who take a rake. I know you are one of the quiet ones and i have nothing against you´( as opposed to the other crying spamers, who make this site unreadable) but I still think it's a "below all" form of income you (and others) have there.
Regarding your "help" with starting hands and helping strategies, only one comment: a good poker book costs around 30$

Take care,
William

[/ QUOTE ]

Looks like we have a new name to add to the "idiot list"

[Lori]

it takes a while, but competition does bring down the cost of the service.

I see increased rake and I wade through spam, neither of these things save me money.

William is 90% correct, visit most affiliate sites and they are doing no service at all.

I've read comments like "Party has the best customer service" and "Party has really good software", these are lies to get the customer to play the site, they are not a service.

There are some on here who do their trade when asked, and they don't lie to get people to go to them, they just rely on reputations built on being honest, however, for the most part, the affiliate is an evil beast who keeps our rake high and makes sure that the servers don't work.

I answer 1-2 PM's a day about who the better affiliates around here are, different ones suit different people.
For the record, Cyndie is not one of those people, she can't even get the management at her own site (herself) to release money to her props, what sway do you think she would have with somebody that isn't herself?

Lori

[HavanaBanana]

[umdpoker]

affiliates may be getting money from other's work, but they can certainly be helpful. i think i am gonna get like $400 back this month! thats a buttload of money that i would have otherwise been without.

[Lori]

i am gonna get like $400 back this month! thats a buttload of money that i would have otherwise been without.

That represents $800 the site could have spent on promotions for all of the players without the affiliate taking $400 of it.

Lori

[umdpoker]

i know. in fact, with their raises in rake, i bet i am essentially paying their old rake now. although, i'm not sure if they increased rake at all of the levels. either way, i will have 400 extra.

[Lori]

either way, i will have 400 extra.

Unfortunately this is now the bottom line.

I try not to discourage people from using affiliates any more for this reason, however I still don't use them personally on principle. (My rake rebate would not be $400, but even if it was it is unlikely I would use an affiliate)

What I do try to ram home to people, is that there are some genuine people out there who are trying to run an affilate business to earn themselves some money, they provide good information and help out when you get stuck.

There are also a far greater number of get rich quick merchants who will lie to earn your money.

Personally I feel that anyone signing up through a get rich quick is making a mistake as if there are multiple affiliate sites pointing out only the good things about poker sites, then the poker sites will not have any pressure to upgrade.

If only respectable affiliates are used, those who can present an honest opinion about things, then the sites that aren't up to scratch will need to improve matters.

I think this is worth taking lesser deals for, as in the long term, smooth sites and happy fish are better for the game than a few extra bux this month.

I don't urge people to not go through an affiliate now, although that would be my preference, instead I beg of anyone considering it to at least find someone who is willing to earn their money by being honest about the business they are promoting and working with their customers to iron out problems.

Back to the topic of this thread, I can't emphasise enough that Cyndie is all talk, she can't even sort out her own site, let alone those she affiliates for and although she has a good command of the English language, unfortunately she has no view of the long term, and will say ANYTHING if she thinks you will go to her instead of a genuine affiliate.

Lori

[William]

Thanks for your support, Lori, and for being able to express what I mean much better than I can myself.
It is very impressive how much respect you have in this forum, suddenly all the non-sense arguing stopped.

Take care,
William

[kdog]

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In the long run, good marketing campaigns save the consumer money, because of economics of scale.., when more people do something it costs less per person for the product or service...it takes a while, but competition does bring down the cost of the service.


[/ QUOTE ]

Cyndie...while this statement is true it is not applicable in this situation. While affiliates may make the site additional monies from players who would have not heard of or signed up for the site otherwise they do NOT save the average customer money nor do they aid in bringing down the cost of the service. In fact they have the exact opposite effect. Because the site has to pay the affiliates a portion of the rake generated by their signups, the pool for promotions, free rolls, reload bonuses, etc. is diminshed. And while I have serious doubts that any site would voluntarily lower the rake, if any did wish to, the affiliate payouts reduce what they could give back and still show a profit.

Affiliates are good for affiliates and those savvy enough to cut a deal with one before signing up for a site, not for internet poker in general.