10-18-2001, 01:16 AM
I was playing 4-8 at the Monte Carlo in Las Vegas today. The game was a typical loose low-limit game. I've been winning so I've earned a table image of a good player. On one hand, I flopped a full-house and got lots of action with it.
I'm on the button and pick up 5s4s. Four players limp ahead of me and I decide to play with so many limpers and excellent position. Both blinds play as well.
The flop is: 5h,4h,4d
Nice flop. Too bad nobody else has any of the good cards. But then my opponents start to surprise me. UTG bets out and two people call to a player two seats to my right. He raises! The woman to my right (solid) calls and the action gets to me. I decide to just call. The blinds fold and everybody else calls. Six players see the turn card.
Question 1: Does anybody want to 3-bet here? I was concerned that the 5 players yet to act (including the blinds) would have a hard time calling two small bets since it was unlikely they had either a 5 or a 4.
The turn is: 5h,4h,4d,6s
It's checked to the flop raiser (two to my right) and he bets again. The woman to my right calls. I decide, again, to just call so that nobody behind me has to call two big bets. Everybody calls.
Question 2: Is it time to raise? Can I expect enough people to call two big bets to make up for those who will fold if they have to call two bets but would call just one bet?
The river is: 5h,4h,4d,6s,5c
It's checked to the flop raiser/turn bettor and he bets again. The woman folds and I decide to speak up. I raise. EVERYBODY FOLDS!, including the flop raiser/turn bettor. As the fr/tb thought for a few seconds, he said "He isn't bluffing" and then laid down his cards. I really wanted to know what this guy would bet with a board like this so I offer to show him my cards if I can see what he's folding. I don't think I'm giving away any information by letting everybody know I bet/raise with full houses (Although I may lead them to believe I'm never bluffing. I'll need to use that if I'm going to give free information away).
I showed my 5s4s and there were a few ooohs and ahhhs. The fr/tb turned over QQ! I couldn't believe it. If he had raised pre-flop, I would have folded without a doubt in my mind. This is the second time in a week, that I've "sucked out" on a big pair that didn't raise pre-flop to drive me out (The other hand is written up in "I beat AA with 72o"). There are two other topics, one in Small Stakes and one in Medium stakes, where posters are choosing not to raise with AA. What's going on?
Back to the point. Is there anyway I could have gotten more money out of this hand. And, in general, how would you play a monster flop like this when you've got great position and so many players in the pot?
I'm on the button and pick up 5s4s. Four players limp ahead of me and I decide to play with so many limpers and excellent position. Both blinds play as well.
The flop is: 5h,4h,4d
Nice flop. Too bad nobody else has any of the good cards. But then my opponents start to surprise me. UTG bets out and two people call to a player two seats to my right. He raises! The woman to my right (solid) calls and the action gets to me. I decide to just call. The blinds fold and everybody else calls. Six players see the turn card.
Question 1: Does anybody want to 3-bet here? I was concerned that the 5 players yet to act (including the blinds) would have a hard time calling two small bets since it was unlikely they had either a 5 or a 4.
The turn is: 5h,4h,4d,6s
It's checked to the flop raiser (two to my right) and he bets again. The woman to my right calls. I decide, again, to just call so that nobody behind me has to call two big bets. Everybody calls.
Question 2: Is it time to raise? Can I expect enough people to call two big bets to make up for those who will fold if they have to call two bets but would call just one bet?
The river is: 5h,4h,4d,6s,5c
It's checked to the flop raiser/turn bettor and he bets again. The woman folds and I decide to speak up. I raise. EVERYBODY FOLDS!, including the flop raiser/turn bettor. As the fr/tb thought for a few seconds, he said "He isn't bluffing" and then laid down his cards. I really wanted to know what this guy would bet with a board like this so I offer to show him my cards if I can see what he's folding. I don't think I'm giving away any information by letting everybody know I bet/raise with full houses (Although I may lead them to believe I'm never bluffing. I'll need to use that if I'm going to give free information away).
I showed my 5s4s and there were a few ooohs and ahhhs. The fr/tb turned over QQ! I couldn't believe it. If he had raised pre-flop, I would have folded without a doubt in my mind. This is the second time in a week, that I've "sucked out" on a big pair that didn't raise pre-flop to drive me out (The other hand is written up in "I beat AA with 72o"). There are two other topics, one in Small Stakes and one in Medium stakes, where posters are choosing not to raise with AA. What's going on?
Back to the point. Is there anyway I could have gotten more money out of this hand. And, in general, how would you play a monster flop like this when you've got great position and so many players in the pot?