Party NL100- T3liveone

[WalleyeJason]

Ok has anyone played with this guy before?

Hes seen like 40 flops in a row, and he has about $735 in front of him.

Hes min raising just about every hand Pre flop, and calling all re-raises.

I lost a $468 pot to him when I hit a straight on the river but he turned flush with 73s ouch!!!

***** Hand History for Game 348669481 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Fri Jan 23 01:20:34 EST 2004
Table Card Room Table 2905 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: ComaU ( $159.50)
Seat 2: Knottsy ( $123.55)
Seat 3: ManiacMike ( $126.75)
Seat 4: True_Blue ( $137.60)
Seat 5: KoolHandLuke ( $109.15)
Seat 6: ChipBurn ( $116.85)
Seat 7: T3liveone ( $303.30)
Seat 8: BillyMac ( $98)
Seat 9: AHDOC ( $245.80)
Seat 10: Walleye675 ( $234.20)
True_Blue posts small blind (1)
KoolHandLuke posts big blind (2)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Walleye675 [ 9c, Tc ]
ChipBurn folds.
T3liveone raises (5) to 5
BillyMac folds.
AHDOC folds.
Walleye675 calls (5)
ComaU folds.
Knottsy folds.
ManiacMike folds.
True_Blue folds.
KoolHandLuke folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9d, 6s, 8s ]
T3liveone bets (10)
Walleye675 calls (10)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Js ]
T3liveone bets (10)
Walleye675 calls (10)
** Dealing River ** : [ Qh ]
T3liveone bets (100)
Walleye675 raises (200) to 200
T3liveone raises (178.30) to 278.30
T3liveone calls all-In.
Walleye675 calls (9.20)
Walleye675 calls all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $468.40 with Walleye675
Creating Side Pot 1 with $69.10 with T3liveone
** Summary **
Main Pot: $468.40 | Side Pot 1: $69.10 | Rake: $3
Board: [ 9d 6s 8s Js Qh ]
ComaU balance $159.50, didn't bet (folded)
Knottsy balance $123.55, didn't bet (folded)
ManiacMike balance $126.75, didn't bet (folded)
True_Blue balance $136.60, lost $1 (folded)
KoolHandLuke balance $107.15, lost $2 (folded)
ChipBurn balance $116.85, didn't bet (folded)
T3liveone balance $537.50, bet $303.30, collected $537.50, net +$234.20 [ 7s 3s ] [ a flush, jack high -- Js,8s,7s,6s,3s ]
BillyMac balance $98, didn't bet (folded)
AHDOC balance $245.80, didn't bet (folded)
Walleye675 balance $0, lost $234.20 [ 9c Tc ] [ a straight, eight to queen -- Qh,Js,Tc,9c,8s ]


Hes getting really lucky, and its really funny too

[WalleyeJason]

Got Some back


***** Hand History for Game 348726092 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Fri Jan 23 01:56:18 EST 2004
Table Card Room Table 2905 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: ComaU ( $96)
Seat 2: Harry_Bush ( $49)
Seat 3: ManiacMike ( $190.85)
Seat 4: True_Blue ( $97)
Seat 5: KoolHandLuke ( $138.60)
Seat 6: ChipBurn ( $106.10)
Seat 7: T3liveone ( $776)
Seat 8: TGRedmond ( $96)
Seat 9: AHDOC ( $225.30)
Seat 10: Walleye675 ( $169.30)
TGRedmond posts small blind (1)
AHDOC posts big blind (2)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Walleye675 [ Kd, Ad ]
Walleye675 raises (8) to 8
ComaU folds.
Harry_Bush folds.
ManiacMike folds.
True_Blue folds.
KoolHandLuke folds.
ChipBurn folds.
T3liveone calls (8)
TGRedmond folds.
AHDOC folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qs, Ts, Jh ]
Walleye675 checks.
T3liveone bets (30)
Walleye675 calls (30)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8h ]
Walleye675 checks.
T3liveone checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ 5h ]
Walleye675 bets (25)
T3liveone raises (100) to 100
Walleye675 calls (75)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $276 | Rake: $3
Board: [ Qs Ts Jh 8h 5h ]
ComaU balance $100, didn't bet (folded)
Harry_Bush balance $49, didn't bet (folded)
ManiacMike balance $190.85, didn't bet (folded)
True_Blue balance $97, didn't bet (folded)
KoolHandLuke balance $138.60, didn't bet (folded)
ChipBurn balance $106.10, didn't bet (folded)
T3liveone balance $638, lost $138 [ 9c 4h ] [ a straight, eight to queen -- Qs,Jh,Ts,9c,8h ]
TGRedmond balance $95, lost $1 (folded)
AHDOC balance $223.30, lost $2 (folded)
Walleye675 balance $307.30, bet $138, collected $276, net +$138 [ Kd Ad ] [ a straight, ten to ace -- Ad,Kd,Qs,Jh,Ts ]

[WalleyeJason]

I think hes up to 50 flops in a row without folding preflop.

[Burk585]

i've been watching....he's basically taken control of the table and is rarely if ever getting called. nothing wrong with being aggressive if the table is super tight like this one! good luck /images/graemlins/wink.gif

p.s. a small drip will fill his bucket...those little pots he's taking down by betting will add up for him

[Burk585]

i take it back....he's a frickin idiot /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[WalleyeJason]

He finally got busted pretty good in the chops, hes staggering, but still standing and firing bets with nothing.

LOL

***** Hand History for Game 348763825 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Fri Jan 23 02:23:30 EST 2004
Table Card Room Table 2905 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: ComaU ( $157)
Seat 2: muzungu ( $95)
Seat 3: ManiacMike ( $281.60)
Seat 4: True_Blue ( $124.10)
Seat 5: KoolHandLuke ( $99)
Seat 6: nicholene ( $100)
Seat 7: T3liveone ( $538.25)
Seat 8: TGRedmond ( $219.30)
Seat 9: AHDOC ( $170.30)
Seat 10: Walleye675 ( $279.30)
T3liveone posts small blind (1)
TGRedmond posts big blind (2)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Walleye675 [ 6d, Qh ]
AHDOC calls (2)
Walleye675 folds.
ComaU calls (2)
muzungu folds.
ManiacMike calls (2)
True_Blue folds.
KoolHandLuke calls (2)
T3liveone raises (3) to 4
TGRedmond folds.
AHDOC calls (2)
ComaU calls (2)
ManiacMike calls (2)
KoolHandLuke calls (2)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qd, 4c, 2s ]
T3liveone bets (10)
AHDOC folds.
ComaU folds.
ManiacMike calls (10)
KoolHandLuke folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2d ]
T3liveone checks.
ManiacMike checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ Ts ]
T3liveone bets (275)
ManiacMike calls (267.60)
ManiacMike calls all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $574.20 with ManiacMike
** Summary **
Main Pot: $574.20 | Side Pot 1: $7.40 | Rake: $3
Board: [ Qd 4c 2s 2d Ts ]
ComaU balance $153, lost $4 (folded)
muzungu balance $95, didn't bet (folded)
ManiacMike balance $574.20, bet $281.60, collected $574.20, net +$292.60 [ 4s 4h ] [ a full house, Fours full of twos -- 4s,4h,4c,2s,2d ]
True_Blue balance $124.10, didn't bet (folded)
KoolHandLuke balance $95, lost $4 (folded)
nicholene balance $100, sits out
T3liveone balance $256.65, bet $289, collected $7.40, lost -$281.60 [ Kd 5d ] [ a pair of twos -- Kd,Qd,Ts,2s,2d ]
TGRedmond balance $217.30, lost $2 (folded)
AHDOC balance $166.30, lost $4 (folded)
Walleye675 balance $279.30, didn't bet (folded)

[Ulysses]

It would probably help you more to solicit feedback on how you played those two hands rather than rip on some random Party player.

[AJo Go All In]

[Lucky]

Here's some advice; don't be so lazy. Summarize the hand in particular as well as what trends in general developed over the 50 or so hands, and then see what the response is. Of course this will take some effort...

[WalleyeJason]

I totally understand what your saying, and agree that it could come off a little childish to post this about some random Party player.

I think being caught up in the "action" I felt the need to share.

Sorry if I offended anyone.

However, I did think about how I played these hands against a total maniac, and yes I could have made some better decisions and pick better spots.

I won’t start to think about a maniac’s thought process when it comes to playing the game, but this situation was surreal. I have never seen a player play Big Bet Poker in this fashion.

I would love to describe in full detail that this player actually saw 50 flops in a row, 95% of the time he was min raising.

In that case I was playing a lot more hands. Comments?

Also, this guy would push hard on the flop, and then again on the turn just about 90% of the time, Regardless of the strength of his hand. It made it difficult to decide when to take your shot.

He would go to showdown with nothing, over betting the pot on each street. It made a lot of people fold, and he was building chips.

I suppose the best way to combat this is to wait for the big hands, and then set him on his ears when he overbets into you.

Anyway, any comments about any of the hands that I posted are totally welcome and warranted. As a matter of fact, I hope to hear what some of you might do in similar circumstances.

Thanks
WJ

[NLfool]

? that hand you had the straight and he had the the flush. The 3rd flush card came on the turn and that's fine then the river has a 9JQ8x 3 spades. You overbet $100 on the Q river without anything close to the nuts and if anyone calls here the best you can do is split. Then you get raised and it's not looking good at all. K10 beats you any flush beats you. I think you played this poorly but I get caught up in the party madness also and make bad decisions also. Regardless good luck hope you get it all back. I think this is what Uly is hinting at. The play was suspect.

[WalleyeJason]

Hey Big Fish,

I totally agrree, the play was suspect.

I think what really influenced me on this is that he was showing down some pretty poor hands, And I dont mean just one or two.

Im working on a summery of out of the last 100 hands of what he showed down to try to get some raw data.

At that time I felt that my hand was better, and even on the off chance his was better, I had a feeling I'd get it back.


Thanks
WJ

[Ulysses]

I didn't like the way either hand was played on most streets, but the worst move of all was not putting in his last 30 chips on the river w/ AK.

[theBruiser500]

I've played with a few maniacs and I was surprised by how good they did. They kept overbetting everything and I thought "Hah! What a loser! I'll take his chips in a minute". But he just kept betting everything, taking down pots, then I'd get in a pot with him and he'd bet me out, then I'd get frustrated and call him down with second pair, and he'd double up on me because he bets so high. Then he'd do some semi bluffing with overcards, hit one of them and double up again. Before I knew it, he'd be at five times the buy in. I think there's somethign to learn from a maniacs play, because I've seen more than just one make a lot of money real quick. With a little more discretion in their play, it looks like their style could be a big winner. I'd be interested to hear what other people have to say about this...

danny

[WalleyeJason]

I didn't like the way either hand was played on most streets, but the worst move of all was not putting in his last 30 chips on the river w/ AK.

Ulysses,

Could you expound on this statment?

Maybe take the time point out why you didnt like how either hand was played on each street with some constructive criticism, instead of just pointing out how bad you think it was played?

Thanks
Jason

[jakuda]

Preflop against a "maniac" you're going to want to have hands that don't need much improving to beat him. 910c is kinda marginal to just call with when you expect to end up heads up with him. If the flop misses, you're probably going to fold. If some of it catches you, he's going to bet a lot at you anyways, and you're going to have to grit your teeth and decide on calling raising.

Anyways, does he call all big bets after the flop? Some maniacs will fold when they feel someone is betting a good hand. Just calling on the flop in the first hand seems passive. On the river, when he makes a huge jump in his bet (unless he overbets the pot on the river with nothing a lot) raising seems risky. But since you rivered a straight, it's hard to see that (I've been there). But a 3flush fell on the turn, and loose players love playing any suited. *shrug*

In the 2nd hand, at the end if you think he's going to call a 100 bet, he probably will call for the remainder of his chips, so you might as well push everything in.

[WalleyeJason]

(unless he overbets the pot on the river with nothing a lot)

Yes, he was doing this about 80% of the time, showing hands like K5off for K high

Anyways, does he call all big bets after the flop? Some maniacs will fold when they feel someone is betting a good hand.

There were 3-4 times when I had strong hands and I made big pot sized bets he would call the flop, but fold ona pot sized bet on the turn.

I actually liked this, as I was winning large pots uncontested. I should have stuck with this stratigy, as It was working, and I got greedy going for a huge double up.

and loose players love playing any suited.

He was playing all cards, and betting any two cards.

Thanks
WJ

[Lucky]

NL 100 seems to have a lot of players similar to the maniacal one you mention.

I keep a list (always changing as they inevitably bust out within a week) and just hope to follow them around, each time i log on.

I try to be patient, friendly on the occasions when they take my stack, and just try get my money in when I'm ahead, which with maniacs, is usually.