Still in the red for 2004 (caution...venting post)

[Cubswin]

Honestly....this is some sort of sick joke. Nearly 12,000 hands and im still seeing red. I have started to question my game when i know i shouldnt. I dont know if it will ever turn around. I jumped into today with much enthusiasm all set to chase down lucy jones. Last month i did lucy for 4 straight days /images/graemlins/grin.gif and showed a profit of more than $300 for each of these days. Today, with 15 minutes to go im down $200. My favorite moment of the day was having KK on two SH tables at the same time and having both busted by pocket aces. Had 3 straight flush draws today....struck out like casey. AK flops QQQ....AQ flops KKK....sets fall to river gut shots....blah blah blah. I guess i just need to vent....i seem to be doing a whole bunch of it lately...maybe its because im still seeing red. UGH UGH UGH....just went to see my poker income from last to remind me ill win over time but it just makes me think of taxes.....UGH UGH UGH... anyway....i guess its off to the gym and then some cold ones to drown my sorrows.

regards
cubswin

[Jim Kuhn]

Hang in there! It will turn around very soon. If it bothers you too much take a day or two off and do something relaxing.

[BreakEvenPlayer]

It sounds like you are on tilt. And when you're on tilt, I have found that the best thing to do is to go up at least 2 limit levels.

[daryn]

keep up the good work man, you know it will turn around..

punish those clowns for me!

[MicroBob]

i hear ya. nov and dec rocked. jan sucks.
re-reading sklansky and also going back to some more basic, non-fancy play (kind of lee jones-ish i guess).

TT greets flop of TJJ.
opponent shows me JJ.
that one is my favorite thus far.
you, me davidross, and everyone else on the fora, will hang in there and it WILL turn around.

hey, my 97o in BB just flopped an 86. turn brought the 5 for nut st8. maybe the turnaround has officially begun.

[umdpoker]

looks like you and me are in same boat for 2004 so far. i won about $3000 in 3 months last year. as of right now, i have played about 17k hands this year, and i am down almost exactly $100. this is only 25 bb at 2/4, but still 17k hands, and i am losing! river after river after me having kings against aces and i am still down 25bb. it is killing me. just wanted to let you know you aren't alone. don't give in to the temptation to tilt. i did this a couple times and it is the only reason i am still in red. i would probably be up about $200 right now if i had kept my cool. by the way, thank you so much for reminding me about lucy jones bonanza. hopefully it will help me get out of this rut. hope your luck turns around.

[OrangeHeat]

Yah I am with you.....-220 BB's for the new year..I haven't had anythiong hold up for three weeks literally... I tried dropping back two levels tonite....same crap....

I feel lost...

Orange

[jasonHoldEm]

We played together the other night, your game is fine, your luck just sucks.

It'll turn around.

J

[bigjay]

I hear you. Having a bad run this week, everything seems to get busted. Doesn't help that I had a great week last week (+200 BB) so probability is catching up with me as well.

Makes you start to make questionable plays and then have to work to make it back up. My trend over the last few days is to lose about 30 BB in an hour, make it back and call it a day. Hang in there.

[Cubswin]

Just got back from the gym....had a nice run and a relaxing sauna so im much calmer now.

Thanks all for the advice/input. Its good to know im not alone...misery loves company. Ill just keep chugging along doing my thing and it will all end up all right....in the long run. I guess the positive for today is that although i finished down 160 lucy kicked me back 80...so i guess it is not that bad of a day.

hoping for some better luck (and maddax to sign)
cubswin

[Aceshigh7]

Good luck dude. I am in the exact same boat as you. Hope things turn around for all of us.

By the way, even if Maddux signs, you guys are still goin down to the Astros. Hehe.

[Adde]

[ QUOTE ]
Nearly 12,000 hands and im still seeing red. I have started to question my game when i know i shouldnt.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm in i similar situation, from december to now. Not losing that much, but neither do I win. A good day of +200 is followed by a couple of bad days, and then it starts over again.

When running bad it's easy to remember those hands you actually played well but got cracked anyway. It's also easy to forget those hands you played not too well. As hard as it may be to say that you have played bad ("WTF, I'm good at this!"), as good it is to drop your face and realize this is the case, if that is the case.

When I'm running bad I think I'm tiliting, if ever so slightly that it's hard to spot it. I don't play more starting hands, but I tend to continue on the flop more than I normally do. A small increase of this percentage is hard to spot, but it could add to much money over time.

Adde

[pretender2k]

I had my best month eve in December. I was winning 10BB an hour on a consistent basis in my regular game. Oh what a month. I started playing in August last year and realized over half my profit for the year in December. My biggest problem in January was unreasonable expectations or the feeling that I really got this thing down now it's all easy money.

Then comes January and I couldn't win a hand if I got four cards in my starting hand. /images/graemlins/confused.gif I tried playing on different sites just to get a change. Same thing. I was in full tilt by this time. Finally took a couple days off. Did some reading poker and other. Came back in a better state of mind took a few more days of loosing, adjusted my play a little and waited the storm out. I am not even for the year yet but a lot closer after the last couple of days.

I must admit at 36 years old I have learned more about myself playing this game than any other time in my life. I find my self in situations at work or other and I am asking myself questions like "Am I mad because of something this person did or am I mad at myself?" or "Am I emotionally capable of handling this situation well or should I wait until I cool down?" Sometimes it's kind of scary.

[Jim Kuhn]

Maddux to sign. With the Cubs? How much pitching do you guys need? Can the Cardinals have your sixth and seventh starters then? If the Cardinals get Maddux they only need a left fielder and a second basemen to compete with the Cubs and Astros! I will probably be wearing my new Cubs shirt alot this summer!

[Cubswin]

To all who arnt already sick and tired of hearing me complain-

My hair has started to grey and fall out in places as my losing streak continues full steam ahead. I have now had 8 straight losing sessions... sessions of at least 500 hands or more. I am -160 today (after 5 hours of 3 tables....2 at 1/2 SH and 1 at 2/4) and am -800 at party since the first of the year....it would have been $980 if not for a reload and lucy jones bonus. This has been mostly at 2/4 and a little 3/6 and 1/2 SH. I have shown modest gains at UB, ICP and Stars but this only makes up for about 1/3 of my loses at party. Here is a hand that put me in a cheerful mood today.

***** Hand History for Game 355752705 *****
1/2 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Mon Jan 26 19:36:20 EST 2004
Table Card Room Table 4134 (6 max) (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: sauceisboss ( $50)
Seat 2: FSU_Cuervo ( $30.25)
Seat 3: noorig ( $15.75)
Seat 4: kipp438 ( $28.75)
Seat 5: Windbreaker1 ( $72.25)
Seat 6: niceriver80 ( $39.75)
niceriver80 posts small blind (0.50)
kipp438: nice check
sauceisboss posts big blind (1)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sauceisboss [ Ks, Kd ]
FSU_Cuervo folds.
noorig folds.
kipp438 calls (1)
Windbreaker1 calls (1)
niceriver80 calls (0.50)
sauceisboss raises (1) to 2
kipp438 folds.
Windbreaker1 calls (1)
niceriver80 calls (1)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Kc, Ah, Qh ]
niceriver80 checks.
sauceisboss bets (1)
Windbreaker1 calls (1)
niceriver80 calls (1)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qc ]
niceriver80 checks.
sauceisboss bets (2)
Windbreaker1 folds.
niceriver80 calls (2)
** Dealing River ** : [ Jc ]
niceriver80 checks.
sauceisboss bets (2)
FSU_Cuervo: wish i wouldnt have folded pocket Qs now
niceriver80 raises (4) to 4
sauceisboss raises (4) to 6
niceriver80 calls (2)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $25 | Rake: $1
Board: [ Kc Ah Qh Qc Jc ]
sauceisboss balance $39, lost $11 [ Ks Kd ] [ a full house, Kings full of queens -- Ks,Kd,Kc,Qh,Qc ]
FSU_Cuervo balance $30.25, didn't bet (folded)
noorig balance $15.75, didn't bet (folded)
kipp438 balance $27.75, lost $1 (folded)
Windbreaker1 balance $69.25, lost $3 (folded)
niceriver80 balance $53.75, bet $11, collected $25, net +$14 [ 9c Tc ] [ a straight flush, king high -- Kc,Qc,Jc,Tc,9c ]

The only responce i could muster was "well played".

I know its going to turn around soon but waiting for the turn around has been draining. I thought that coming off the 3 day weekend break for me would help settle things for me mentally but im on the verge of going crazy (not literally folks....im mentally stable...i think /images/graemlins/smile.gif )

I guess if you all dont mind im just going to keep posting here my my updates until i get this ship turned around.... hopefully that will happen or else ill have to join the hair club for men. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

hope the cards are hitting you all better then me
cubswin

[Lori]

I guess if you all dont mind im just going to keep posting here my my updates until i get this ship turned around

I for one don't mind, anything that helps relieve the tension.

Sounds like you could use a little zoo sweat, alas I can't access holdem at Party during peak hours right now /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Lori

[Cubswin]

[ QUOTE ]
alas I can't access holdem at Party during peak hours right now

[/ QUOTE ]

consider yourself lucky /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[BreakEvenPlayer]

gotta love when he calls your reraise with the nuts though. at least the fish consistently save us money when they have us beat.

[umdpoker]

hey. we should start a "red in 2004" club. i am still struggling to get over the hump. just 75bb away..... can't quite get there. i actually got back up to even again just in time to get destroyed the next day. please keep posting updates, as they let me know i am not the only schmuck who is losing so far this year. if i ever break even, i'll post it as well. good luck.

[Cubswin]

Ill keep posting updates. I am going to put in 3 more 9 hour days this week so this should be fun. At this point all i can do is laugh at how bad it is getting. Barring a miracle, this will be my first red month in 8 months of doing this quasi full-time.

regards
cubswin (founder member of the red in 2004 club)

[Losing all]

I know playing .50/1. sucks for serious players, but I can't think of a better way to pump up lost confidence than making 10+BB an hour against the worst poker players in the world.

You can play three tables, get bad cards, make some stupid mistakes, and still pull a profit. Not to mention the bonus 20BB's from jucy lones(I even held onto 60th tonight.) 85BB's +40 bonus =$125 not bad for the lowest possible risk factor you'll find in poker. Not that I'm scared of risk, or that any of you losing streakers are either, but this might be a way to work out of your funks.

GL to all in the red...

[Cubswin]

[ QUOTE ]
85BB's +40 bonus =$125 not bad for the lowest possible risk factor you'll find in poker.

[/ QUOTE ]

Right now id find a way to lose even at .5/1 /images/graemlins/crazy.gif Even with my bad luck ill take my chances with 2 2/4s and 1 1/2 SH. It SHOULD be worth $24 an hour plus the $40 .... or somewhere in the $250 neighborhood for 9 hours of work. Somehow the math just inst working for me right now. I agree though, it is a good play for a low limit player.

regards
cubswin

[Cubswin]

Things can turn around fast.... and it didnt even take a granny mae. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

***** Hand History for Game 356774231 *****
3/6 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Tue Jan 27 05:09:20 EST 2004
Table Strawberries (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: pissinriver ( $125)
Seat 2: granadino ( $188)
Seat 3: Rocketbob ( $56)
Seat 4: dooda4ever ( $106.50)
Seat 5: fum293 ( $70.50)
Seat 6: Carcy420 ( $264)
Seat 7: AndyGibb ( $134)
Seat 8: fullboat37 ( $125)
Seat 9: LukeMintzas ( $23)
Seat 10: sauceisboss ( $118.50)
AndyGibb posts small blind (1)
fullboat37 posts big blind (3)
fum293 posts big blind + dead (4)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sauceisboss [ Ah, Ad ]
LukeMintzas calls (3)
sauceisboss raises (6) to 6
pissinriver calls (6)
granadino folds.
Rocketbob folds.
dooda4ever folds.
fum293 calls (3)
Carcy420 calls (6)
AndyGibb raises (8) to 9
fullboat37 calls (6)
LukeMintzas raises (9) to 12
sauceisboss calls (6)
pissinriver folds.
fum293 calls (6)
Carcy420 calls (6)
AndyGibb calls (3)
fullboat37 calls (3)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Js, 2d, 4s ]
AndyGibb bets (3)
fullboat37 folds.
LukeMintzas raises (6) to 6
sauceisboss raises (9) to 9
fum293 calls (9)
Carcy420 folds.
AndyGibb calls (6)
LukeMintzas raises (5) to 11
LukeMintzas calls all-In.
sauceisboss calls (2)
fum293 calls (2)
AndyGibb calls (2)
Creating Main Pot with $120 with LukeMintzas
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6h ]
AndyGibb checks.
sauceisboss bets (6)
fum293 calls (6)
AndyGibb calls (6)
** Dealing River ** : [ 9c ]
AndyGibb checks.
sauceisboss bets (6)
fum293 calls (6)
AndyGibb calls (6)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $120 | Side Pot 1: $36 | Rake: $3
Board: [ Js 2d 4s 6h 9c ]
pissinriver balance $119, lost $6 (folded)
granadino balance $188, didn't bet (folded)
Rocketbob balance $56, didn't bet (folded)
dooda4ever balance $306.50, didn't bet (folded)
fum293 balance $34.50, lost $36 [ Kd Jh ] [ a pair of jacks -- Kd,Jh,Js,9c,6h ]
Carcy420 balance $252, lost $12 (folded)
AndyGibb balance $99, lost $35 [ Qh Qs ] [ a pair of queens -- Qh,Qs,Js,9c,6h ]
fullboat37 balance $113, lost $12 (folded)
LukeMintzas balance $0, lost $23 [ Td Jd ] [ a pair of jacks -- Jd,Js,Td,9c,6h ]
sauceisboss balance $239.50, bet $35, collected $156, net +$121 [ Ah Ad ] [ a pair of aces -- Ah,Ad,Js,9c,6h ]

***** Hand History for Game 356776984 *****
fum293 has left the table.
3/6 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Tue Jan 27 05:13:04 EST 2004
Table Strawberries (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: pissinriver ( $116)
Seat 2: granadino ( $188)
Seat 3: Rocketbob ( $56)
Seat 4: dooda4ever ( $306.50)
Seat 6: Carcy420 ( $319.50)
Seat 7: AndyGibb ( $75)
Seat 8: fullboat37 ( $89)
Seat 9: alpine0000 ( $150)
Seat 10: sauceisboss ( $235.50)
pissinriver posts small blind (1)
granadino posts big blind (3)
alpine0000 posts big blind (3)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sauceisboss [ Qd, Qh ]
Rocketbob folds.
dooda4ever calls (3)
Carcy420 folds.
AndyGibb calls (3)
fullboat37 calls (3)
alpine0000 checks.
sauceisboss raises (6) to 6
pissinriver folds.
granadino calls (3)
dooda4ever calls (3)
AndyGibb calls (3)
fullboat37 calls (3)
alpine0000 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3d, Ts, 9h ]
granadino checks.
dooda4ever checks.
AndyGibb bets (3)
fullboat37 calls (3)
sauceisboss raises (6) to 6
granadino folds.
dooda4ever calls (6)
AndyGibb calls (3)
fullboat37 calls (3)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5d ]
dooda4ever checks.
AndyGibb checks.
fullboat37 checks.
sauceisboss bets (6)
dooda4ever calls (6)
AndyGibb calls (6)
fullboat37 calls (6)
** Dealing River ** : [ 6c ]
dooda4ever checks.
AndyGibb checks.
fullboat37 checks.
sauceisboss bets (6)
dooda4ever calls (6)
AndyGibb calls (6)
fullboat37 calls (6)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $103 | Rake: $3
Board: [ 3d Ts 9h 5d 6c ]
pissinriver balance $115, lost $1 (folded)
granadino balance $182, lost $6 (folded)
Rocketbob balance $56, didn't bet (folded)
dooda4ever balance $282.50, lost $24 [ Td 7d ] [ a pair of tens -- Td,Ts,9h,7d,6c ]
Carcy420 balance $319.50, didn't bet (folded)
AndyGibb balance $51, lost $24 [ Jc As ] [ high card ace -- As,Jc,Ts,9h,6c ]
fullboat37 balance $65, lost $24 [ Th Ah ] [ a pair of tens with ace kicker -- Ah,Th,Ts,9h,6cAh(kicker card) ]
alpine0000 balance $147, lost $3 (folded)
sauceisboss balance $314.50, bet $24, collected $103, net +$79 [ Qd Qh ] [ a pair of queens -- Qd,Qh,Ts,9h,6c ]

[lefty rosen]

This year has been bad for me, too and the idiot play of the morons at party has made it worse....... I might be able to pass the 1k mark in the black for year by the end of the month(whoopie!).......

[Cubswin]

lefty

thanks for asking. things have turned around quite nicely. i came in 4th in a $50 multi not too long which gave me a boost (i dont play them all that much). i have switch things up a bit recently and have been playing lots of SNGs and some Omaha hi (at my secret fishing hole) and have had some luck at these. i really like the low variance of these games. anyway, back to some cheapo SNGs for me... im trying to make this my first 1k week of the year.... ive got my work cut out for me /images/graemlins/smile.gif

regards
cubs

[Cubswin]

check that....im aiming for my second 1k week. i forgot the week of that 4th place finish was also a 1k week /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[lefty rosen]

What does a 5th place in a 50+5 pay? I would think about 2k plus?

[Cubswin]

welp.... my 4th was in a $50 over at empire and paid $900. i was that wed night $10,000 with a slight overlay.

cubs

[MicroBob]

i was in the cheering section on that one....i somehow thought you finished 3rd but i guess i remembered incorrectly.....and then you let the idiot at the table have it (just a tad).

i haven't had a chance to play in them lately but should give them a try again....the overlay makes them very attractive....i'm still waiting for my lessons on limit-multi's.

didn't you come in 12th or something in the next one??

now that i know your handle at least i know to stay out of your way if you happen to sit your booty down at my table.

i have never "done" lucy jones. any good??

good luck on the 1k week.

[Cubswin]

[ QUOTE ]
and then you let the idiot at the table have it (just a tad).

[/ QUOTE ]

i normally dont go off at people like that but i had to put up with his complaining for the whole tourny. he constantly bitched that online poker was fixed even after his impossible outs showed up.

[ QUOTE ]
i haven't had a chance to play in them lately but should give them a try again....the overlay makes them very attractive

[/ QUOTE ]

yes...the overlay is good. pm me if you want details on another overlay i know /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[ QUOTE ]
i'm still waiting for my lessons on limit-multi's.
didn't you come in 12th or something in the next one??


[/ QUOTE ]

11th actually...just missed the final table. not sure lessons from me will do any good... i think it was just short term luck. i normally dont play limit so i surprised myself a bit...twice.

[ QUOTE ]
i have never "done" lucy jones. any good??

[/ QUOTE ]

if you want to play 9 str8 hours of poker with a couple of SH tables thrown in it is good. now that they allow you to play 4 tables i cant imagine how much fun it might be. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

regards
cubs

ps....less then 100 to go to 1k /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[astroglide]

i recently lost just south of 10 grand playing 6 tables of 15/30 (thousands of hands) over the course of 5 days. it happens. i'm doing fine this week, and still respectably up on the month. that's about the worst run i've ever had, though.

[lefty rosen]

Wow I hope you have cashed at least 100K to be able to maintain your sanity........ Myself if I lost 10K in week I would think about doing other things for a while........

[Twisty]

About a week ago i lost 12k in one day.It was one of those days that happens about once a year(i hope).
I ran out of things to break in my office!(I wish i broke my monitor..would have been alot cheaper by the end of the day)
When your running bad take a break!

[Ulysses]

The funny thing is, I was trying to keep pace w/ my buddy astro, so I lost 5k at 3 10/20 6-max tables that week.

[astroglide]

i kept playing every day, and pored over my hands in pokertracker. it's imperative to keep the faith if you feel you're playing well.

[astroglide]

what limit and how many tables? i would have to really work to lose $12,000 in one day.