AleoMagus
01-21-2004, 03:51 AM
If I am the Big blind heads up, and the small blind raises by the amount of my blind, what gets folded here? this is obviously a very common situation in limit tourneys and not too rare at NL either.
I ask this because I have been doing a bit of thinking about this lately. I used to fold quite a lot of hands here, but more and more over the past year, I find that my requirements have been dropping. I recently found an online odds generator for hold'em situations and it would seem that heads up, about the only situation where the required 25%+ win rate is not there is when your opponent has a pocket pair equal or higher than both your hole cards.
Add to this the fact that you have position for the rest of the hand and I am starting to wonder if ANY TWO cards are worth a fold. Can this be true?
In terms of the win rate of any two cards, this might be even more true in a larger game, but I KNOW that isn't true.
Where is my reasoning falling apart? Position, I am sure has a lot to do with it when the raiser acts after you in a larger game. There is also the matter of being less sure that you have the best hand when making smaller pairs and the fact that you could see a re-raise after you. Still, when heads up, I find it hard to convince myself that my original reasoning is wrong.
Somebody talk me out of this before I start calling every small heads up raise.
There is also the reverse implications that I don't like. Why would I ever try to steal in a limit hold'em tourney (from the small blind) when I know that the BB is always justified in a call and will have position on me. I suppose we could both have positive EV given that his Big blind is already in the pot but it still worries me.
Perhaps I will get a response back like "Yeah, dummy. You always call there. sheesh". That said, I'd still appreciate any feedback.
Regards,
Brad S
I ask this because I have been doing a bit of thinking about this lately. I used to fold quite a lot of hands here, but more and more over the past year, I find that my requirements have been dropping. I recently found an online odds generator for hold'em situations and it would seem that heads up, about the only situation where the required 25%+ win rate is not there is when your opponent has a pocket pair equal or higher than both your hole cards.
Add to this the fact that you have position for the rest of the hand and I am starting to wonder if ANY TWO cards are worth a fold. Can this be true?
In terms of the win rate of any two cards, this might be even more true in a larger game, but I KNOW that isn't true.
Where is my reasoning falling apart? Position, I am sure has a lot to do with it when the raiser acts after you in a larger game. There is also the matter of being less sure that you have the best hand when making smaller pairs and the fact that you could see a re-raise after you. Still, when heads up, I find it hard to convince myself that my original reasoning is wrong.
Somebody talk me out of this before I start calling every small heads up raise.
There is also the reverse implications that I don't like. Why would I ever try to steal in a limit hold'em tourney (from the small blind) when I know that the BB is always justified in a call and will have position on me. I suppose we could both have positive EV given that his Big blind is already in the pot but it still worries me.
Perhaps I will get a response back like "Yeah, dummy. You always call there. sheesh". That said, I'd still appreciate any feedback.
Regards,
Brad S