Rounders the Movie

Is a great movie, and it's what got me into playing Hold 'Em. The first time I saw it was this past spring, and I've only been to the Taj twice to play Hold 'Em since. There's a line in the movie I have a question about:


When Matt Damon and Ed Norton return to Damon's apartment and find that his girlfriend has left, Norton tells Damon about things that make him feel better when he's down. Among them, he says are "rolled up aces over kings". Exactly which hand is this referring to?


Also, what does "jacks up" mean? My guess is two pair, and the jacks are the higher pair. Am I right? Wrong?


I open this thread to discussion about this great movie....


Thanks for the info!

First of all I cannot believe I am responding to a post with "Rounders" in the title. /images/smile.gif Since I am here goes: "rolled up aces over kings" in Seven Card Stud having your first three cards be Aces (first two cards in the hole with an Ace up) against a similiar hand but with Kings. You are a VERY Big favorite here. As for the jacks up you are correct.


Jimbo

i didnt like the movie but im really glad that it's brought new players into the game.


"rolled up aces over kings".


he's referring to a full house in seven card stud where the first 3 cards are AAA and two of the next four cards are KK. an extremely big 7 card stud hand.


i have a special tell that ive found relating to this film as well. im not sure if ive posted about it yet. it's when a player, usually a guy between 20-30, holds up his pocket cards at the showdown (usually the nuts or a big pair that made a set) in hold em in exactly the same smug manner that the russian does in the movie and on the back of the video box. the player will usually have this very confident, shit-eating expression on his face while he stares right at his opponent. it's a big rush for this guy, playing out a part from his favorite movie in a real live cardroom.


how is this a tell? as soon as you see this you can target this player as someone who has mythical ideas about hold em being a game of much bluffing, machismo, winning a lot of pots, and so on. then play accordingly.

I do believe my definition was correct about the rolled up aces over kings. It is specifically when I start with 3 aces in 7-Stud and you start with 3 Kings. You are describing a full house aces full of kings, though I have never bothered to watch this movie and the context of the conversation may demonstrate otherwise.


Jimbo

In some circles, the term 'over' denotes a full house - not two pair. Thus, 5's over Jacks is 555JJ.


Now your definition, having rolled Aces against Rolled Kings is not the slam dunk that would invoke a remark like Norton's. The kings could easily fill up while your Aces get no help. Wouldn't be much of a mood lifter.

Nick,


Thanks for putting the movie conversation in context for me. Guess they could have used better technical advice! /images/smile.gif As for your post about the Jacks and Fives, the original poster stated the quote being "Jacks Up" which is 2 pair with Jacks as the higher pair, not Jacks over or Fives over which is what you defined. Guess I'll watch it one of these days and have a better perspective.


Jimbo

It's unfortunate I used that example. When I wrote 555JJ, it was as an example of a full house "5's over Jacks" and nothing to do with the poster's question about Jacks up.


However, the fact that the movie uses 'up' and not 'over' to denote two pair suggests to me they favor the 'over' term for full house.

why would you NOT watch the movie - I mean, come on - it's a pretty decent flick.


Besides the fact that the "Worm" is a total shitbag and completely screws up Mikey's life (which is a little hard to believe) the movie is actually pretty entertaining.


Every time I see this conversation involving Rounders people that consider themselves "hardcore" poker players blow it off like they are too good to watch that crap.


It reminds me of musicians who won't play "Stairway to Heaven" or "Freebird" because they are just way above that.


Go rent the movie - quit living under the proverbial 'poker rock'.

being insulted because I have not watched a movie!


Gee sucka,


Your posts are normally so polite and reasonable. Looks like I really offended you with my choice of entertainment. Hard to believe you blonde haired poker punks take this movie so seriously! Must be some kind of cult thing huh? At any rate if it happens to show up on HBO I'll probably take the time to see what all the excitement is about. Till then I suppose I'll just crawl back under my poker rock and keep busting the fresh pups this movie seems to be cranking out en masse!


As far as playing Stairway to Heaven and Freebird they are two of my favorites. What does this movie have in common with these songs?


At any rate sucka I bet you rarely if ever attend the Opera or pay to see an art exhibit! Does that make you less of a human than me because I do? If I had to rate the importance to our contemporary culture between this "monumental movie Rounders" and Michangelos' David I would rate the movie much lower even without seeing it and am probably not incorrect in doing so.


Jimbo


ps: The last movie I rented was La Dolce Vita an Italian subtitled "artsy film" and that was 15 years ago. No Blockbuster frequent flier miles for me!! /images/smile.gif

Post deleted by Mat Sklansky

poker is your entire life. If you are correct and it is the biggest thing in all the history of poker, SO WHAT!!! Poker is simply a game I use to improve my standard of living so I may enjoy the finer things in (my) life. I do not consider myself a "poker player" as you seem to but I am a person who plays poker. Not that it matters but I was a college professor and may have helped to guide you personally into a profession more productive than you might otherwise have chosen. I only wish I had referred you to a qualified health care professional as well.


Have a Happy day Bernadette,


Jimbo

I do not consider myself a "poker player" as you seem to but I am a person who plays poker.


Sometimes your linguistic skills end up making you into the fool that you are, not an english professor?


Bernadette

to the conjunction used as a past participle followed by a conjunction without a comma you may wish to consult with someone more qualified than yourself.


Jimbo

Having Aces full of Kings would be no better than having Aces full of 2's, so why even mention the Kings? Assuming we're talking Stud. Holdem would be a different matter, but then you couldn't be "rolled up" in holdem. I believe "rolled up" is a term specifically referring to your first 3 cards in Stud being of the same rank.


Actually, come to think of it, the only explanation that makes sense is that it's just more nonsensical dialogue from that movie, which has plenty of it (which was covered in another thread awhile back).

no i was referring to ... "I do not consider myself a 'poker player' as you seem to but I am a person who plays poker." DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BROTHER, YOU DONE TALKIN EBONICS? CUZ IF DAT IS THE CASE WELL THEN WE GOT SOME PAST AND PRESENT PARICIPLES WE GON DEAL WIF RIGHT HERE, YA HEARD? YOU THINK I GO DOLO? THEN YOU GOTS IT ALL WRONG SON, I AIN;T NO PLAYA, I JUST CRUSH ALOT, SITTIN ON TOP OF MY DILZNICK WHEN I BUST SOME SHOTS... DAG YO, IM NICE.

Didn't mean to come off sounding like an A-hole. My apologies for doing so.


You do, in fact, have a very false impression of me. Just because I've seen the movie Rounders doesn't mean that I don't enjoy some of the more 'refined' arts. :-)


I just think that its odd that someone who plays a lot of poker hasn't seen that movie - if anything just for the pure entertainment value - like I said, it's not a bad flick. (Not that it's Godfather quality or anything - but you get my drift...)


Seriously though, I think that you'll find the movie at least somewhat entertaining.


And no, I'm not one of the 'fresh pups' you so polietly refer to in your previous post. I was playing Hold Em' before I even saw the movie.


And finally my reference to Stairway to Heaven and Freebird was because of my musical background. I played my way through college in various bands and it's considered somewhat taboo for a 'real' musician to break down and play either of those songs...anywhere. Kind of like the movie Wayne's World where he picks up the guitar in the music store and starts playing the opening to Stairway to Heaven and the place freaks out. I was simply applying that to 'real' poker players who think that Rounders is some kind of a joke or something and they just simply refuse to watch it as it's 'under' them.


I apologize if it sounded as if I was berating you for not watching a movie - just was trying to rib ya a little. :-)


Renew that blockbuster card and go rent this one - you'll get a good laugh or two from a couple of the classic lines in the movie.

no need to apologize to the narcissist Jimbo... I bet 1k that this guy is a big fat ugly dude.

I appreciate your response. After all I was trying to meet you when we were in Vegas at the same time this past July. I understand you are a solid player and expected you have played for quite sometime. Great to hear you are a musician, I own a live music club as a side interest and book a lot of Southern Rock groups so the songs you mentioned are a "required" play for our audience!! /images/smile.gif


I intend to see the movie as soon as possible now. Thanks for the endordsement, any others I might enjoy?


Best regards,


Jimbo

You may send the $1,000. to my PO box if you like. Unless of course you intend to welch on your bet. Yeah that is probably the case, but thanks for inserting your marvelous comment. It added so much depth to this thread we would have lost track of the initial post if not for your incredible insight.


Thanks again,


Jimbo

I have a few suggestions for you. 1. Stop calling yourself "Jimbo" you must think your a real cool dude to call yourself that. 2. You are a person that plays poker not a poker player....hmmmm 3. You are not a rennaisance man- sitting at the computer and checking twoplustwo everytime 10 minutes qualifies you as a poker player. and Finally, please stop thinking your doo don't stink. If you follow all of my specifications, then you will be a good person and will be blessed with AA every hand and you will get a lot of fun from 2+2 and you will make many friends like sucka, as well as maing yourself look like a rennaisance man.

GL in your endeavors.


Detective Caffeine Free

Although it may difficult for you to comprehend I will attempt to enlighten you. My given name is Jimbo, you genius! Hopefully that bit of information will help to assuage your concern. I suppose that Detective Caffeine Free is so much more realistic than my real name? It is net kooks such as yourself that interject themselves into otherwise intelligent threads that tend to degrade this message board. The learned Bernadette understood about as well as you do the difference between considering myself a "poker player" and simply a man who enjoys the fruits of others poor plays (in poker) in order to supplement my income. Why not ask Barry Bonds if he is a "baseball player" his answer may surprise you? Perhaps a simple Freshman course in philosphy might help you to understand the difference. Compared to your lofty attitude my doo most certainly has a more pleasant aroma.


To address your last point I am already a good person and have a lot of fun by verbally sparring with other posters here on 2+2 while at the same time learning to improve my skills. I am perplexed as to why being more educated and well traveled offends you and a (very) few others but alas, jealousy sees no borders. I consider no poster on this forum my friend and am not seeking such, simply knowledge. If someday I meet some of the posters here we may become friends but that will be secondary to my other wishes albeit a pleasant bonus.


As for wishing me to have pocket Aces every hand that is thoughtful but unnecessary for my long term profit. I do understand that you are probably still an adolescent but that gives you no license to be rude, annoymous, presumptous, and incorrect.


Thanks for the wish of good luck and may I offer you the same in return.


Best wishes,


Jimbo (like it or not)

You are dumb, umm, other than that your points are well taken. Thanks for making it cear that you are a selfish guy. And the fact that you do all those things, does in fact, make you a renaissance man. You are a master of yourself. You are the best 2+2 poster. And your motives, alas, have been detected by yours truly- Detective Caffeine Free- thank you very much. I am the best detective on 2+2.


Detective Caffeine Free

I heard (haven't seen it yet - can't find it at my local video store) that Cincinatti Kid is real good. I intend to see that one as soon as I can find it somewhere.


Thinking back, I do remember your post on trying to locate me at the Mirage when I was there a couple months ago. I think my wife and I are planning to return at the end of september - but not 100% for sure yet.


It's pretty cheap to hit vegas now - Bally's is $49 a night, Excalibur is $39 a night and I think the Statosphere is actually paying people to stay there. :-) Just kidding of course, but it's usually dirt cheap to stay there anyway - then their promotions are something like $15 a night or something that I've seen on the net lately.


Anyway, my wife and I could get there and back for ~$500 from Austin - so we are considering going again - possibly bringing along some friends this time. You'll definitely find me hanging in the Mirage $6/12 or $10/20 that's forsure - I love that place!!


Anyway, glad we got that cleared up!

I find this post very interesting, especially since I have noticed this tell also. I will be the first person to admit, Rounders was the reason that I got into playing poker. However, before I ever sat down in a real live cardroom, I made sure I knew what I was doing. It's funny how often someone will sit at a card table and mention how they had just watched rounders, they have all these high hopes and expectations and just get crushed. Why??? Because "this player is someone who has mythical ideas about hold em being a game of much bluffing, machismo, winning a lot of pots" and they have no idea what they are doing. The funny part about it is, that just shows they didn't watch the movie that closely. This movie was probably the greatest thing that could have happened to card rooms. Oh, and for the record, I loved the movie.

Funny you mention the card holding thing... what I've personally noticed is the whole quoting lines during semi applicable times thing. Ie, "well, let me look at you here" before someone has to call a bet. Usually the people I've seen who do this are HORRIBLE. I mean, "just watched the movie and think they can beat the game but don't know the difference between top two and any two" horrible.

I liked the movie as entertainment, and I agree with one of the other posters that it was probably the best thing to happen to casino poker since chips were invented. After watching it a few more times, though, the inconsistencies and sometimes idiotic play get to me. It's the most accurate movie when it comes to poker, terms, and style of play, and yet it isn't even that accurate- what does that say about other movies with poker in it? /forums/images/icons/grin.gif

Leon