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adios
01-09-2004, 02:13 PM
I found this piece interesting. Comments?

Dollar War: Is Europe the Patsy? (http://www.iht.com/cgi-bin/generic.cgi?template=articleprint.tmplh&ArticleId= 124318)

Dollar war: Is Europe the patsy?
Floyd Norris/IHT IHT
Friday, January 9, 2004



This article marks Floyd Norris's debut as a columnist for the IHT. He will examine international financial and economic issues in this space on Friday's.

What happens if the world won't let the dollar fall?

That question may sound odd given the run of headlines about the plunging dollar, but the reality is that the dollar is still strong where it counts.

And that is bad news for Europe.

Since the end of 2001, the dollar is down 30 percent against the euro. But against a basket of currencies - weighted by how much each country contributes to the American trade deficit - it is down just 6.7 percent.

The reason is that not all countries play by the same rules. Only a few are willing to allow their currencies to trade freely. China, which has the largest trade surplus, $123 billion in the latest 12 months reported, fixes its currency's value against the dollar. It has turned away U.S. suggestions that it change that policy.

Japan, which ranks No.2 with a trade surplus of $68 billion, bought around $200 billion last year, which presumably slowed the yen's rise. The dollar is down 19 percent against the yen since the end of 2001.

The rise of the euro at first brought some joy to Europeans, who had been embarrassed by their new currency's earlier slide. But now there is growing concern among companies and politicians that the euro will rise far enough to damage the nascent European recovery.

A cut in European interest rates might discourage capital from coming to Europe, and thus reduce the value of the euro or at least slow its ascent. It also might lift economic confidence in Europe, which has begun to sink again.

But the European Central Bank on Thursday left rates unchanged, with Jean-Claude Trichet, its chairman, appearing to be more worried about European budget deficits than about the impact of the rising euro. "Although recent exchange rate developments are likely to have some dampening effect on exports," he said, exports should continue to grow as the economy recovers.

The euro slipped before the ECB met, amid suggestions that Trichet might say something significant even if the bank did nothing. But he did not, and the euro rose again.

In America, the Federal Reserve seems to even like the fact that China won't let its currency appreciate.

"Looking at movements of the dollar against a single currency can be misleading about overall trends," said Ben Bernacke, a Fed governor, in a speech this week. "Broader measures of dollar strength show somewhat less of a decline." The way he sees it, that makes American inflation less likely, and therefore gives the Fed less reason to be concerned.

For the dollar to hold steady, foreigners must be willing to buy enough American assets - stocks, bonds, companies, real estate or whatever - to offset the current account deficit. If they don't buy enough, then the dollar must fall.

In theory, a declining dollar would lead to higher import prices that would reduce demand and bring down the trade deficit. But the current reality is that with the dollar not being allowed to fall against the Chinese yuan, economic adjustment will require a bigger decline against other currencies, primarily the euro.

The question now is whether Europe will stand by and watch its own competitiveness erode. Notwithstanding the Bush administration's empty "strong dollar" rhetoric, there appears to be little likelihood of Washington joining in a move to sell euros.

The ball is in the ECB's court. Its inaction is regrettable.

GeorgeF
01-09-2004, 08:15 PM
1) Europe will be able to purchase raw materials along with foreign nurses and indian scientists for less.

2) The article keeps thinking manufacturing in the USA vs Europe. In reality it is Europe vs S. America, Asia ect. The exchange rate will never get to a point that alows Germany to compete with Brazil.

3) The US middle class is the Patsy. The US middle class gets to pay for the Iraq war now and in the future. Short term this is going to be a distaster for US citizens that do not work for the government or are not rich. Long term it will be bad news for anyone who depends on the value of US assets.

I agree that some people in europe will not benefit from the strong euro but the fact remains that the euro is strong because euro zone countries are not squandering their wealth with the same velocity as americans.

Wildbill
01-12-2004, 02:25 AM
Euro zone's biggest countries are mostly squandering their wealth with the same voracity as Americans are. Americans may be squandering it on an "unproductive" war as many in Europe would see it, but the Europeans are squandering on "unproductive" social policy. Pursuing policies that make it comfortable to be unemployed and give extensive health care and benefits when less certainly would be sufficient can't be said to be productive uses of extremely high tax collection rates. The big difference between the US and Germany is that the US growth in debt over the year is almost matched by the growth in the economy, almost making things a wash. Germany hasn't had conditions like that since the late 90s and has no prospect of returning to such a condition for many years to come. In the meantime their 4 million unemployed receiving jobless benefits, almost as many as the US despite having about one third the population, can take solace in the fact that the government isn't going to push them too hard to find a job anytime soon.

Ray Zee
01-12-2004, 10:26 PM
you and george are both right here and should be noticed. the difference with us and europe is that we both waste our money but at least in europe the waste goes back to the people in some form. the middle class there is not losing its position fast as in the u.s. . i would personally rather the money go to the population for social services than to big companies and foreign countries to try to keep them liking us.
what all developed countries need is less taxes and more incentive to produce. with less money wasted outside the country. and more spent on aging infrastucture. that will come home to haunt us badly.

Wildbill
01-13-2004, 12:30 AM
Agree Ray. The problem is the money going out of the country. Still the war and other initiatives are putting money into the economy, paying for soldiers and US companies that are mostly employing Americans or having increased stock values that many Americans participate in. Nothing is ever as cut and dried as it seems is always the lesson.

I think the problem though is that Europe is really wasting the money more than people realize. Yes good to invest in your people, but at some point you need to get some return on it. I don't know if unemployment benefits for long periods of time are a very good investment in your people. The US could spend more on them and Europe could spend less. Also remember the US is wealthy enough to undertake all these initiatives and not have it affect us as much. Our GDP % spending on the military isn't that much different from what France spends.

GeorgeF
01-13-2004, 09:08 PM
"the US is wealthy enough to undertake all these initiatives and not have it affect us as much."

They said that during Vietnam, fact is you only have 100% of your income and you can only exceed 100% for so long.

" Our GDP % spending on the military isn't that much different from what France spends. "

Britain and France have fairly active militaries. France was not in Iraq but thay have a number of expeditions in Africa. The real comparison is USA (3.2%) and Germany (1.5%)/Japan(0.9%). Also note that the US economy is being disrupted more by the war on terrorism than European countries. The numbers are also 1999 numbers, my guess is that they will be even worse in 2004. The US will also be paying for this long into the future as military pension benefits kick in. I also see the US becoming more 'centrally planned' with Washington seizing and controlling more wealth than in the past. Japan (and China) seems to be chipping in by loaning the US money on 'good' terms.

It is possible that a rebuilt Iraq/Afganistan will make it all worth it.

http://www.photius.com/wfb1999/rankings/military_expense_gdp_0.html

Wildbill
01-13-2004, 10:32 PM
I think a "hidden" culprit in the Euro value is the liquidity caused by so many countries trying to set their currency values all at once. It has become a worldwide exporting price war. Everyone knows about Japan, China does it just by the nature of a fixed currency when it is clear it should be trending downward. Much of Asia in fact tries to manipulate their currency downward for exporting reasons. You also have Argentina and Brazil fighting it out with regular interventions trying to devalue somewhat as they fear appreciation will cut off their recoveries. Canada and Australia are even now starting to wonder if they will lose out if their dollars go too far soon. All these major trading countries are flooding the market and buying up dollars. Since the dollar isn't in vogue and its hard to fight well funded central banks, the obvious pressure of extra dollars being held by various CBs is to sell the dollar and get Euros. Europe, Switzerland, and the UK are really the only significant currencies without clear government interventions right now, the fact that the pressure rolls to them can't be that surprising.