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ThrillFactor
01-07-2004, 07:23 PM
Well, the cronic procrastinator in me has put this off long enough, so here goes nothing. Let me see if I can get this all out in one breath...

When I left you all last, I had just finished up my vacation week (3rd week of November) in which I had won right at $600 in 36 hrs of play at three Party .50/1.00 tables. Bankroll was at $700 and I was hoping to at least double that playing part-time over the next several weeks before I left my job. For those of you who may have missed the original post, I had plans in place for several months to retire from my glorious position of Niteclub General Manager at South Central Louisiana's largest venue. The job paid pretty well for this area (mid 40s with an eventual ceiling of low 50s) but required me to work 70 hrs per week on average. The brutal schedule, along with a general burnout on the nightlife scene both led to my decision. I hatched the scheme to play online for a living based upon my past success playing part-time at these limits. I require only $400 a week to get by, and if things don't work out as planned, I do have a college degree to fall back on. I am not opposed to, nor in any way unable to seek out and obtain gainful employment in a real-world setting if I have to. However there certainly is an undeniable allure to the idea of being able to do this for a living - at first just to get by, but then to continue building a bankroll and moving up in limits till I hit my own level of incompetence. David Ross's story is highly motivating to many people on this board besides myself, I'm sure. Most (over 90%) on this board say that it's impossible to do at these limits, that any success so far has been just short-term luck. That may be true - I haven't been playing this game all that long and they certainly know much more about this than I do. But there's only one way to find out for sure. There are some truly terrible players at these levels (6 or 7 at a table if you search them out) and they will pay you off when you make your hands. I wonder if the reason that everyone says that it can't be done is because no one has tried (or documented it if they did). There's also the argument that those good enough to do this don't waste their time at .5/1, they're playing 2/4 and 3/6 instead. Well... we'll get to that eventually - baby steps first.

Week 2 started off as more of the same. I was up about $200 over the first couple of days, but then something truly new happened. You guys must have jinxed me, because this was a first. I went on an extended losing streak. Not a downward spiral that destroyed my bankroll (I caught that after only 50 or 60BB), but just a slow steady drain. Hour after hour of nothing to play just to get sucked in with marginal cards and wonder why - after the river - I even entered that hand in the first place. Made hand after made hand cracked on the river (these are the really expensive ones). Day after day of getting eaten-away by the blinds. The losing streak lasted 9 days. By the end it had relieved me of about 120 or 130BB if I remember correctly. But I survived and was (and still am) rather proud of the way I controlled my losses. My first winning session of week 3 caught everything back up and we were off and running again.

Then another very strange thing happened. I went on sort of a reverse tilt. I had made it through the dreaded "losing streak" rather unscathed and I knew it. I was feeling pretty invincible and so week 4 was spent playing too many hands to the river just knowing I was going to catch my card. I won A LOT of money that week, a whole lot. Problem was I gave it all back chasing down draws. They were OK draws, but not longterm +EV draws. Net result before I realized it = pretty much break even week.

Valuable lesson learned (hopefully) and Week 5 saw the most impresive run of my poker career. +503BB in 13 hours. Yeah, do the math on that one. Probably the best week of poker I've ever played. Not just getting lucky and getting smacked with the deck, but also cutting my losses and knowing when to bail on a pot (see invincibility lesson, paragraph 3). Oh, if they could all be like this.

Week 6 spent prepping for NYE, not much playing time - mostly uneventful.

On December 31st my bankroll sat at $1900. I had hoped to make 2K, but it just wasn't in the cards!!! Hehe, sometimes I just kill myself. On January 01, 2004 at 12:15a, I handed over my keys to my regional manager and called it a career. Eight years - time to start over. Cashed out $700 and nest-egged it away. This along with what I had saved gets me through January without having to worry about winning a dime. If February comes a blank, I'll need to find a job! I left $1200 in for a reason. That's a 300BB b/r for $2/4 if it comes to it. If I see that I truly can't make enough to survive on at .5/1, I'll make the move to 2/4. From what I've gathered from this board, Party 1/2 is not the place I want to be. I really hope that I don't have to make that jump soon, though. I don't think that I can emotionally handle a $300-400 short loosing streak right now. I'm on very uncertain ground at the moment and I'd like to find something stable to start from.


Let's see... there may be more on my mind that I'm forgetting right now, but my hands are tired and I'm hungry. May add to this later tonight.

Which book should I start with: Jones, HPFAP, or TOP? Got all three handy, will begin my formal education this weekend.

Until next time

Will

ThrillFactor
01-07-2004, 07:55 PM

harboral
01-07-2004, 08:34 PM
Congratulations on a very Bold move. I hope you do great. I was a bit surprised to hear you only have enough back-up cash for a month. Expecting to win $400 a week online immediately is a huge task. I was also VERY surprised to hear you ask what books to start with - You should have read EVERYTHING you could get your hands on 6 months ago. You can make money online - or traditional B&M casino - but it is tough. I have 20 years experience playing, much of that as my only income. I usually take 1/3 for expenses, 1/3 for savings and 1/3 to gaming bankroll. I have never gone broke - but I have never had a losing week, either. You had a 9-day losing streak against the weakest players ever (players at B&M used to be much tougher) and that is also a great worry. IMHO you had better really evaluate your starting hands - play only the best and keep yourself at the lowest level as long as possible. When you have a few thousand in savings, owe no money and also have your bankroll up to 3K online - then you can move to the $2/4 and play 3 games at a time. Before your try that, however, you should play the lower games and maybe 1 game of $1/2 until you are comfortable, then try 2 low games and one $2/4. Best wishes and good luck. (honest opionion? read below - if not, just stop reading here)


Your odds of not ever working again and playing online and B&M for your career are probably worse than 1 in 20. You may get into February with a profit - but you won't get anywhere near $1800 a month by the end of Feb that you can draw out - again, just my humble opinion.

Styles
01-07-2004, 08:56 PM
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I left $1200 in for a reason. That's a 300BB b/r for $2/4 if it comes to it. If I see that I truly can't make enough to survive on at .5/1, I'll make the move to 2/4. From what I've gathered from this board, Party 1/2 is not the place I want to be. I really hope that I don't have to make that jump soon, though.

Will

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Can you tell me what you read on this board that encouraged you to jump in limits and skip Party $1/$2? That's a new one on me and I'd like to review that.

Good Luck in your quest.

John Deere
01-07-2004, 09:38 PM
If I could survive on $400/month, I'd probably try this too! Unfortunately, I pay $1200 in rent (and that doesn't even include electric), and another $120 for parking. And food and beer in the city (Washington, DC) is expensive.

I don't know, it seems to me that even if you take a $0.50/$1 table for 4BB/hr, and play 3 at the same time, that's still only $24,000/yr based on a standrrd 2000-hour work-year. I only just started working my first full-time job out of college, and that's just a fraction of my salary (which I hope will go up as the years go on).

Best of luck, though!

ThrillFactor
01-07-2004, 10:04 PM
Yeah, agreed, it's not much but it's a lowball figure that I can survive on. My undergrad is in Biology and, unfortunately, with as long as I've been out of that market, I'd be lucky to land a job at $30k right now (knew I should have stuck with computer science). Also, I am keeping my eyes open for any opportunities that may present themselves. I have several friends that can get me leads in the pharmaceutical (sp?) sales industry if I choose and just an hour ago I received a called from my ex-regional manager about the possibility of a corporate promotions position (sounds interesting, too).

ThrillFactor
01-07-2004, 10:15 PM
several posts on this board in just the last couple of weeks have discussed the possibility that Party 1/2 seems to play a little tighter than 2/4. Just watch the lobby for 15 minutes and see that the average BB/pot usually seems to be lower at 1/2 than both .5/1 and 2/4.

SpaceAce
01-07-2004, 10:27 PM
Very ballsy, man. Good luck. I wouldn't count on making $400 per week steadily at the $.50/$100 tables, though, unless you are planning to put in a lot of hours. That kind of grind will wear you down. I definitely think you should be spending every waking moment that you're not playing poker studying poker. Dabble in $2/$4 just to get the feel of it. Even if your win rate is 1/2 as much at $2/$4, the pots are 3-4x bigger so it works out in your favor. I'll be looking forward to hearing how things are going for you.

SpaceAce