what the hell is up with Al Queda and Las Vegas...

[whiskeytown]

latest rumor mill is that the plan was for Al Queda to fly plains in from Paris to Las Vegas and crash them there..

that's what you bunch of godless sinners deserve for your crimes of the city of sin....ha ha ha...

seriously though...WTF - I mean, they could hit a couple hotels, I guess...a building or something but not much else, right?

or maybe our Govt. was just trying to hype up the scare again for re-election 04

RB

[Poker blog]

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latest rumor mill is that the plan was for Al Queda to fly plains in from Paris to Las Vegas and crash them there..

or maybe our Govt. was just trying to hype up the scare again for re-election 04

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You're kidding, right? Do you really think we live in Commnist Russia?

[Dynasty]

The Strip in Las Vegas would be a fantastic target for a terrorist attack on New Year's Eve. There's supposed to be more than a million people on the Strip each New Year's Eve. Traffic is closed off and the Strip becomes a massive pedestrian mall.

Crashing a plane into a hotel wouldn't have the same impact as it did on 9/11/01. I'd bet at any time other than late at night and around sunrise, most people who are in a casino-hotel on on the ground (casino) floor.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

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latest rumor mill is that the plan was for Al Queda to fly plains in from Paris to Las Vegas and crash them there..

that's what you bunch of godless sinners deserve for your crimes of the city of sin....ha ha ha...


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Poor taste wiskey, tho I am sure you meant no harm.

Anyway, what do you think it would be like if a plane crashed into the mirage? not quite as bad as NYC but it might cause carnage and economic damage nearly as bad.

To our boys over there, please do blow the hell out of all those fanatic A-holes. And to our people here, recial profiling and PC be damned, seek and destroy anyone suspicious. Elderly white women are not very suspicious in airports.

al

[whiskeytown]

I have full assurances that both sides...elected and running - will use every legit and illegit means they can get away with to get re-elected - and one of the oldest rules to staying in power is keeping the population somewhat fearful and scared of change...

I have no faith in either political party in this country...not to go so far as to say 9/11 was intentionally allowed to happen - but I know when it did, a lot of corporations and politicians saw dollar signs...

RB

[whiskeytown]

and I'm wondering...I mean...Christmas day...what would the population be like...certainly not worth hitting an office building -

or maybe they planned something else...I heard those planes come across Canada and drop down in Minnesota - that would put him very close to our Mall of America...on Christmas Eve, that would be a problem...

RB

[George Rice]

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I have full assurances that both sides...elected and running - will use every legit and illegit means they can get away with to get re-elected - and one of the oldest rules to staying in power is keeping the population somewhat fearful and scared of change...


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You should feel ashamed of yourself for thinking this way. I should know, I basically agree and I feel ashamed of myself.

As for another high profile terrorist attack, it would be worse on the psyche of our citizens. Another major attack might not do the physical damage or have the loss of life of WTC, but after invading Afganistan and Iraq, many feel that most of the threat is gone--and another attack would be a real kick in the pants. It would also leave the powers that be trying to explain the Iraq invasion while Al Queda was left to regroup.

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but I know when it did, a lot of corporations and politicians saw dollar signs...


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Politicians saw opportunities and possible mine fields. Not a time to say what they're really thinking, or to think and act for the long term. They had to look good in the moment, and position themselves for future elections.

Opportunistic business people are always looking for opportunites. There's no place for humanity or patriotism when there's a deal to be made, or a situation to exploit. From defense contractors to the little guy selling decks of cards or pictures of the WTC, there's no shortage of these types. After all, "That's the American way," and "We've got to eat too!" There are of course those who will give all and ask nothing in return. But there are far too many of the first type.

And don't let me get into all the "heros" we now have who were nowhere near any of the disasters. Used to be you had to perform some heroic act to be called a hero. Now you just have to have the same job as someone who performed one. Perhaps we should call these people "potential heros." /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[limon]

"To our boys over there, please do blow the hell out of all those fanatic A-holes."

who's the fanatic a-hole? on the news i see alot of dead people who were doing nothing fanatic at all. are there any links between iraq and terrorism? i haven't seen any. Unilaterally invading a country which has never attacked you seems sort of fanatic to me.

I dont support the war. I don't support soldiers fighting in an unjust war.

I do support profiling FOR THE PURPOSE OF DEFENSE. All decisions are made based upon stereotypes. There is no such thing as complete information. Language is a metaphor.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

Personally, I don't care if there's a link between iraq and terrorism. Tho some civilans have been killed, many MANY more of them would have been killed (or tortured, then killed) by hussein and his sicko cronies, so it's the (much) lesser of two evils. And I don't care if the rest of the world thinks we are fanatics, the whole middle east has gotten so out of control (from all the fanatics there) that I don't care what anyone thinks, I support our troops and government period. I am too old otherwise I would have signed up immediately following 9/11.

A taliban goes down and I say good riddance. Hussein gets captured and I say good riddance. We should subject him to some of his own medicine and not treat him so WELL.

You know vietnam wasn't very just in retrospect, but the boys over there got their assess blown away and shot at, then got treated like dog chit by their own people back home. Where's the justice there? I can't see the sense in the vietnam war, but I respect those vets immensely.

I don't care if you like my position or not, or whether you support the war or not, or whether you think I am a fanatic or not. When chit gets out of hand, decisions have to be made. Sitting around on our hands letting everyone in the world act like FKheads is not my cup of tea. The rest of the fanatic regimes should take heed as to what happened in iraq.

I have liked some of your essays tho, nuttin personal with the counter-flamage.

al

[gymrat]

You guys got this stuff all wrong,I'm tellin ya.They weren't going to blow anything up.Nah...nothing like that.See...what happened is,Al Queda is running alittle short of funds these days.Hellmuths book came out this year,Bin Laden was just planning on sneaking into town,lots of drunk tourists in town,now he can "play like the pros"and we all know he gets cable.So he's seen the WPT and how much money they make.Hey 2+2 =4.he was just coming to make a score,and get his finances back in order.And how many of us haven't done that,huh? I'm telling you,he was just coming to play!!!

[Ryan_21]

I read about this a while back that one of their major targets was the Hoover Dam in Vegas. Think of the carnage that would cause, if they flew a plane into the Dam.

Ryan_21

[daryn]

yeah.. you're right limon. if the guy who lives next door decides to aim rocket launchers at my house from his window, i should wait until he pulls the trigger before i say anything.

[MrBlini]

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Think of the carnage that would cause, if they flew a plane into the Dam.

[/ QUOTE ]I doubt anyone aboard would survive.

[whiskeytown]

great...check raise a guy, get jihad called on your ass....

no thanks...

RB

[Al_Capone_Junior]

[Poker blog]

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I have no faith in either political party in this country...not to go so far as to say 9/11 was intentionally allowed to happen - but I know when it did, a lot of corporations and politicians saw dollar signs...

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Oh please. That's absurd. You make the argument against yourself.

[Jim Kuhn]

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but after invading Afganistan and Iraq, many feel that most of the threat is gone--and another attack would be a real kick in the pants. It would also leave the powers that be trying to explain the Iraq invasion while Al Queda was left to regroup.

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I think we have succeeded in pissing off 90% of Muslims. I would say the potential terrorist pool is ten times greater than it was prior to 9/11.

As for sacrificing American lives to gain a presidential election - what do people think? I am not so sure what the priorities of US government are. How many hundreds or millions of dollars was Halliburton guarenteed before we went to war? If 17 or 18 out of 19 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia why did we bomb Irag and say terrorism was our number one priority?

I thought maybe I could stir up some debate on this subject. What do others think?

[limon]

"Personally, I don't care if there's a link between iraq and terrorism"

bazaar...

the reasons you cite for invading iraq would have us invading a dozen other contries as well including china, you up for that?

Daryn, I didn't know iraq had a weapon pointed at us? i thought they were a totally isolated 2nd world country which could barely keep it's tanks operating let alone launch an attack on america.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

"I think we have succeeded in pissing off 90% of Muslims. "

Gee all you have to do to piss off muslims is BE an american in the first place. FK the muslims. They are almost all going to be pissed off anyway, it's ingrained in their culture. My sister's ex was from iran (he escaped the wars by running into turkey). He was taught in gradeschool to chant "death to america." So if we piss off a few more muslims what's the difference? Let's get something done already cuz the hate-mongers aint going away.

al

[Jim Kuhn]

Your tax dollars do support the war. I think 80 billion dollars was too much for invading Iraq. I do support our soldiers and pray for them. They are doing their job and hopefully the politicians that chose this war did so with correct motives.

We have plenty of problems at home that could be bettered with our tax dollars. I drive to work each morning on interstate 270 and hit bump after bump. My cd players skips and I think 'thank God we are able to build Iraq better roads and bridges'.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

China should take heed, tho they are a bit large to go invading. Still, they can all go to hell too far as I give a FK. Nazi Germany was huge and they went down eventually.

al

[limon]

...the statement that soldiers are "just doing their job". I suppose there should have been no nazi war criminal trials, everyone was just "doing their job". We all have choices, even marines. If they choose to participate in an unjust preemtive action they will get no VOLUNTARY support from me.

I do support the ongoing action in afganistan. htere was a ample cause and clear targets. You notice with the world behind us afganistan did not pose the problems of iraq. and it could have. just ask the soviets.

I am a gun owner and by no means a pacifist. I would gladly volunteer for a just cause. The "war" in Iraq is a joke and america is the punchline.

[limon]

Nazi Germany was huge and they went down eventually.

with the world behind us. not a preemtive unilateral invasion.

[Jim Kuhn]

What 'normal Nazi soldier' was tried as a war criminal? If there were any I would assume they were more than a normal soldier and engaged in torture or similar non battlefield crimes.

When our armed forces enlist they must fight for what the government considers just causes. They can not pick and choose their battles. If they decline they face jail time and court martial. Many of them are 18 19 and 20 years old and think they are performing their patriotic duties. Hopefully the feeling toward our brave soldiers will not mimic that toward our Vietnam vets in the 70's. I agree with your other statements.

[sam h]

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I don't care what anyone thinks, I support our troops and government period.

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I don't see how a person who gives good poker advice and appears to be a thoughtful individual can write a sentence like this. Why would anybody support our "government period?" Shouldn't some thought at least be put into it, and opinions updated as new situations and information come to light?

[James282]

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I don't care if the rest of the world thinks we are fanatics

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FK the muslims.

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Hey Al. I hope that you see why what you are saying is disappointing and racist. If you ever think that you, or your family, or any American is going to be made more safe by this sort of thinking then you are sadly wrong. Having kids chant "death to Americans" almost seems reasonable if Americans are willing to say "FK <insert race, religion, or ethnicity here>" when yours is the race inserted, right?
-James

[Al_Capone_Junior]

Just to clarify, I am real sick of Israel's BS too. Democracy schmemocracy, they cause as many problems as they try to solve. Finally get someone cool like Rabin in there and he'll just get shot by some fanatic palestinian. I am just sick of hearing about it and seeing death and destruction all over the world via the middle east. I don't teach my children jack cuz I don't have any, and I wouldn't advocate having these types of discussions around kids. Still tho this is a conversation between adults, and I am sick enough of the whole middle east to just say FK em all. I won't change my feelings on this just because someone thinks I am being insensitive or p'litically inc'rect. FK PC too.

al

[Al_Capone_Junior]

[Al_Capone_Junior]

very well your point is taken. Sufficient explanation should be found in my other posts. However, I will re-explain. I support the war cuz i think hussein needed to be gone at any means regardless of what any other countries thought. Apparently they all like the situation much better now that they didn't have to be p'litically inc'rect or get their little hands dirty. And I always support troops who are SENT to fight because they risk their lives, and that's admirable.

al

[Al_Capone_Junior]

"...the statement that soldiers are "just doing their job". I suppose there should have been no nazi war criminal trials, everyone was just "doing their job". We all have choices, even marines. If they choose to participate in an unjust preemtive action they will get no VOLUNTARY support from me."

Their options as far as participation go are? Court marshall? Also I don't see american soldiers running concentration camps.

Also you act as if your opinnion that the war is unjust is equivalent to fact. Many of course would take issue with you on this.

al

[limon]

the fact is american soldiers have run the eqivilent of concentration camps in the past, just ask the indians. sure they have some kick ass casinos now but it wasn't always that way.

I dont blindly support the actions of any government. I go on facts. we we're given "facts" (wmd, terrorism, etc.) the rest of the world new it was bullshit, why didnt we?

[Al_Capone_Junior]

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the fact is american soldiers have run the eqivilent of concentration camps in the past, just ask the indians. sure they have some kick ass casinos now but it wasn't always that way.


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That's the past and this is now.

WMD or not, I am glad we went in, hussein was a psycho and killing him and his cronies would be the only thing better than caputuring them and removing them from power in my view. If the rest of the world wants to sit on their assess and cash in on a psychotic dictator (hello france!) then FK them too.

You can have the last word if you like but I am done with this thread and won't read or reply to any more posts here.

al

[Jim Kuhn]

For 80 billion dollars we could have captured alot worse criminals here in America and made our streets safer for our children. We currently turn criminals loose because we can not afford to keep them in prison. Iraq is on the other side of the world. Let their neighbors worry about Saddam.

[James282]

Hey Al. I don't care what is politically incorrect or correct. You are entering me into your discussion with limon and others it seems, and I don't really care to be part of that. You seem very concerned with America's safety(at least I hope that is your concern), but you are ready to say "I am so sick of the middle east that I am ready to say FK em all." Heaven forbid that this would be something our nation would stand by. This has to be the most ignorant thing I have ever heard. Do you know exactly which countries constitute the Middle East? Do you know what they have done? Do you know where we would be without the Middle East? How about Kuwait? Yikes. Also, what has made you so sick of "all" of them?

Again, let me clarify, I don't care if you are insensitive. I am pretty insensitive myself - but I think advocating saying "FK" to every country in the Middle East goes beyond insensitivity. Maybe Hitler had a problem with some Jews, and then, BAM! He was sick enough of all of them to say "FK all the Jews! I am sick of them!" And all of the little Germans said "Yeah, Yeah!" You seem to be saying, "Yeah! Yeah!" without really considering what is going on here.

By the way, I fully agree that Saddam Hussein should not have been in power in Iraq because of what he was doing to his people. Before you go feeling so threatened by him, however, consider that Iraq did not have the technological capabilities to launch any sort of attack on the US that would realistically have caused any deaths. None of their missles could or can reach us. You could make an argument for biological or chemical warfare, but hell, 1 crazy scientist with some money could do the exact same thing. Then we get into the whole bag of worms as to whether it is our business to determine how countries should deal with their own citizens, but I don't really feel passionately enough to make any comments on that. Just consider your biases before you let them go spewing forth as "reasoned opinion."
-James

[Wake up CALL]

"consider that Iraq did not have the technological capabilities to launch any sort of attack on the US that would realistically have caused any deaths"

Another weak liberal arguement. I ask you: Did Al Qaeda (Al Qaida) have this? Nuff said!!!

[MMMMMM]

Maybe Nazi Germany should have been considered as a candidate for preemptive invasion. Taking the hint from Hitler himself, Germany's arming and start of hostile actions, the Europeans and Brits might have guessed what was coming. Maybe preemption wouldn't have been feasible but it sure would have saved a lot of lives if it could have been pulled off.

[James282]

Hi Wake Up Call,
Al Qaida could have done what they did without the federal banking of any country. Maybe we should just blow up everybody, just in case?
-James

[Wake up CALL]

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Hi Wake Up Call,
Al Qaida could have done what they did without the federal banking of any country. Maybe we should just blow up everybody, just in case?
-James

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No, just the ones that either have or likely will harbor or assist terrorists. I suppose you would offer them cotton candy, a teddy bear and begin a sin-a-long of Kum-ba-ya.

After one or two more invasions the bad boys will shape up and turn the terrorists over or just take care of the problem themselves. Without the protection of physical territory the terrorists will have little chance of either success or survival.

[MMMMMM]

I'll take a guess and put the Over/Under at 2 more Invasions

[Terry]

Billionaire Sheldon Adelson, Las Vegas casino owner / union buster / political manipulator, Israeli real estate developer (to phrase it nicely), and financial supporter of several radical political/religious groups in Israel, has been the subject of terrorism threats for years... long before 9/11.

[trillig]

I think it's pronounce Al K DUH! for a reason...

These people are mental defectives following the leadership of psychotic, powermad, self righteous, sadistic, and apparently severely deprived of the LOVING.

71 virgins?

LOL!

It's just incredible that someone would buy that, brainless dweebs...
and thousands of them! Basic logic problem: How can u fornicate without sex organs? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

-t

[Ralle]

Maybe you're kidding? That type of strategy is used all over before an election. There is no honor when it comes to getting extra votes.

[MrBlini]

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Hi Wake Up Call,
Al Qaida could have done what they did without the federal banking of any country. Maybe we should just blow up everybody, just in case?
-James

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No, just the ones that either have or likely will harbor or assist terrorists.

[/ QUOTE ]We may as well start with the U.S. We won't have to send the military too far.

[CORed]

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Think of the carnage that would cause, if they flew a plane into the Dam.

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I'm not sure that flying a plane into Hoover Dam would do that much damage. Certainly breaching Hoover Dam would be catastrophic, but I don't think crashing a plane into would do that. They might take out the generating plant, possibly causing a blackout, but Hoover damn is a massive chunk of concrete. I don't think the impact would be enough to break it, and the fuel would just run down to the river and burn there.

The Work Trade Center towers were walls of mostly glass, supported by a steel framework. The planes went through the walls, and, because they were carrying full loads of fuel, caused a huge fires inside the toweers. The heat from the fires weakened the steel. Once one floor collapsed, the impact of all the weight crashing down collapsed the next floor, then the next in a chain reaction.

Hoover Dam, being essentially a huge piece of concrete, should be much harder to bring down.
Disclaimer: I am not an engineer, so I could be wrong.