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Joe Tall
12-16-2003, 02:32 PM
Two of my good friends and I headed out to Atlantic City on Friday. We snagged a $96 round trip ticket from Logan to Philly on US Airways, rented a car for $50 for the weekend and got a room at the Super8 for $150/night, which was just a room, period and not bad spilt 3-ways.

I posted here and set up some PMs to meet some 2+2ers down there. I flew into Philly at 8:15PM Friday and we got on Route 95 around 8:30, only to run into a huge traffic jam. It took us an hour to go from the airport to the Walt Whitman bridge (about 10 miles), so I text messaged the 2+2ers and told them I'd be late.

I showed up around 11PM at the Borgata. Headed right over to the Metropolitan Cafe to find the 2+2 group. I sat down with the group, MG in NJ, brian0729, Mosch, bunky9590, scrub, Homer, and CrackerZack were all there. We talked some poker and had a drink or two.

MG kept busting on my Bastan (Boston) accent and I kept on saying every word twice after that, we all had a few laughs. I knew I was going to like MG right away, we must come from similar backgrounds, only few know how to take my attitude and MG came right over the top and busted me. It was perfect.

I was surprised to meet Mosch, as I was going to meet him last weekend at Foxwoods but due to the big snowstorm I was unable too and the bammo!, here he is in AC. Mosch is big dude, very nice guy, we got to have some interesting conversations later about poker, life and the like.

After that I headed down to the Poker room in the Borgata. The Borgata has a great poker room. It's well run, has clean chips (got a $1 chip for you JTG) and even great seats to sit in, which is a big deal to me as I'm never comfortable at the table being 6 ft 7 in.

I jumped on the $6/$12 board and got a game right away, MG came over and gave me a quick read on the players. The game was a tough one as there were 2 sharp players to my right, the only 3 fish to my left, John Vorhaus (which MG pointed out), Bunky and Mosch after that. I was cold-carded and didn't play many hands. However, it was interesting to watch Vorhaus play. I've read a few of his poker pages articles, he is a sharp player. He did get caught on a stone cold where he 3-bet on the button w/23s. The player he 3-bet, knew who he was and nearly folded on the folp. Instead he went into call down mode and Vorhaus checked the river through and showed his bluff.

I knew a table change would had been higher EV but the game was interesting just so I stuck around. Only 1 out of every ten hands went to a showdown, first time I could ever say that.

I pulled off one stunt when the game started to break after Vorhaus and his friend got up. I did not play a hand in about 45 minutes, 2-folds to me, 6 handed w/a weak-tight behind me, bunky in the SB and a weak-tight in the Big Blind as Mosch went to play 10/20 and I raise w/5 /images/graemlins/heart.gif3 /images/graemlins/heart.gif and only the BB called. The flop came Ace-high, rainbow, and the BB looked disgusted and checked, I bet, she called. The turn completed the rainbow and when it hit, she briefly pursed her lips into a frown while her eyes where locked on the board. I put my head down to pretend to look at my chips with my eyes on her when she checked; I could see her start to pick up her cards, so I bet. She folded.

The game broke and I headed to the board to get me on the lists. Just then I ran into a Foxwoods friend of mine who is a lurker here named 'Ocean' playing 3/6. Ocean is a friend of Fred G. Sanford who is a good friend of MG, strangely enough.

I got a seat in the 3/6 game just after MG ordered me a beer when I was watching him and brian07SQRT2+2=2. I should have never had the beer, it was after midnight and I had been up since 5AM. Needless to say, I didn't play that well, especially after MG sat down next to me around 2AM and ordered me a shot and beer. Mosch sat down later also and we had several conversations about 2+2, poker and life, it was a fun game. MG is the type that I felt like I’ve known for years, I can see why Fred G and him hang.

I remember only 2 hands: A family of limpers to me and raise w/JJ, the blinds fold and now a tricky player who thinks he plays well, limp-re-raises, all call and I cap it. At this very moment MG breaks a cardinal rule and whispers, “I folded a King so don’t worry about that one.” as the flop comes rags. Everyone checks to me and I bet, the tricky player raises and I 3-bet, the tricky player calls. Turn: K, tricky-player checks, I bet, he raises, I call. The river was a blank and the tricky player checks again, I pause for a second, totally lost, and bet, tricky calls and drags it with AKo. I still don’t know what the hell happened there, I busted on MG for it, but I got my revenge by keeping him up till 6AM. :P

The other hand was a laugh too. Mosch raised UTG and I said, “F-it, let’s post one” and 3-bet, the dealer then says, “what does that mean? Raise?”. I say, “well, in theory I guess it would.” The flop comes Ten high and Mosch bets out, I raise and he goes into call down mode. I flip over my A/images/graemlins/spade.gif T/images/graemlins/spade.gif and Mosch flips over 77 and we have a laugh as I drag it. After that MG 3-bet Mosch and said, "Let's post it." and the same dealer said, "oh, I know what that means, raise!". The 3 of us burst out in laughter./images/graemlins/grin.gif

Our game started to break in the early morning and 3 players left a one time, including MG and Mosch and I go heads up for a few hands.

The first hand I’m dealt A/images/graemlins/spade.gifK/images/graemlins/spade.gif and complete, Mosch raises out of the BB and 3-bet. Mosch smells a trap and calls. The flop comes rags and I bet, Mosch calls. The turn is my K and I bet, Mosch folds. I table my hand and we have a laugh, Mosch had A8o. After folding our blinds to each other the house moves us to full games.

I should have went home right there but the room only had 2-beds and I’m sure my friends had them occupied so I decided to stay, it’s now 8AM.

I sit in a wild 3/6 with a bunch of maniacs and 2 decent players. It was a real fun table I stayed until 10AM, there were a lot of jokes about my Red Sox cap and the game was light as everyone had been there all night long.

There was only one hand I remember that has already been discussed here. I hadn’t played a hand in a while when I raised a weak limper w/JJ, everyone folded to the blinds who call, the limper calls. The flop came 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif and it’s checked to me and I bet. The BB, who is an OK player, check-raises, the limper folds and I 3-bet. The BB now 4-bets, I ask the dealer, “heads up right?”, he says, “yes, no cap” and I call with intentions of raising the turn. The turn comes 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif and the BB bets out, I raise and the BB calls, the river comes 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif and the BB checks, I bet and the BB raises, I call and the BB shows T/images/graemlins/club.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif for the runner-runner gut shot and drags it. The player did commend me for raising the turn, I just wish I checked the river; I had a good feeling the c/r was coming but bet anyway. My senses were dulled since I had been up about 28 hours at that point.

Guess it wasn’t my night as I lost about $200 or so. As I walked out I said to the table to check out the forum, and introduced myself as Joe Tall. Then the player who had T5o said, “holy $hit” and shook my hand, it was RollaJ /images/graemlins/tongue.gif.

I took a 5 hour nap and headed over the Taj with my 2 friends from home. I got into a juicy 5/10 game and got up about $200 before I met them for dinner. We ate dinner and I brought them back to the poker room and got all three of us into a 2/4 game as they are both new to casino Hold’em. My brief lesson to them was, “if a strong player open-raises in EP and everyone folds to you; you hand is only worth a 3-bet or a fold.” They both played well as our 20 years of poker playing experience seemed to be enough to beat the 2/4 game and they booked moderate wins for newbies. I had a blast at the table and booked a $200 win as we played from Midnight to 5AM. The Taj poker room is not greatest but the games were great. The chips are real dirty, as the tables are too and it took me 4 hours to find a clean enough one to take home. (Sorry JTG, I couldn’t find another one worthy of my pocket). I guess having Foxwoods, Ocean's 11, and the Borgata under my belt has turned me into a poker-room snob. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

I went to the room and slept for 5 hours as our flight left Philly at 1:30. It seemed like I packed in a 5 day poker vacation in 2 days; I had a great time.

My list of 2+2ers grows, I’ve met nearly twenty now and I have to say that all of them have been great people. I hope to keep the list growing into the future.

Peace,
Joe Tall

JTG51
12-16-2003, 03:22 PM
Sounds like a great trip, I wish I could have gone.

Thanks for the chips, hopefully I'll be able to meet you at Foxwoods soon. And don't worry about the Taj, I've got one of those already.

Joe Tall
12-16-2003, 03:55 PM
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Sounds like a great trip, I wish I could have gone.

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I'm glad you didn't. There were too many Yankee fans and I was was a bit overwhelmed. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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Thanks for the chips, hopefully I'll be able to meet you at Foxwoods soon. And don't worry about the Taj, I've got one of those already.


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There wasn't one worth keeping after the one I found, seriously. I'm sure those Taj-chips violate health codes. /images/graemlins/blush.gif

Peace,
JT

Fred G Sanford
12-16-2003, 03:57 PM
JT,

Sounds like I missed a good trip. Sorry I couldn't get there and catch up with you guys. I am sure I'll be seeing you at Foxwoods once the holidays pass. Let me know when the next gathering is and count me in.

Fred G Sanford

Fred G Sanford
12-16-2003, 04:04 PM
[My senses were dulled since I had been up about 28 hours at that point.]

28 Hours? Come on thats just a warm up.

FGS

Joe Tall
12-16-2003, 04:11 PM
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28 Hours? Come on thats just a warm up.

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I don't have the Zen like concentation stamita like you do, Fred. The coffee and beers had ran me over by then. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Peace,
JT

JTrout
12-16-2003, 04:12 PM
Nice post, Joe. As a Mississippian, I had two main thoughts.... 1) $150 for Super 8? HOLY S#$T!! and..
2) a memory of a time about 10 yrs ago, when on a trip for a golf tournament- I split a hotel roome w/ a guy from Boston. His accent was mildly noticable (I've got no room to talk of accents), until back in the room when he called his brother on the phone. I remember hearing his end of the conversation and thinking, "HOLY S%^T!!". I could barely make out any words he said! I thought he was putting me on! But he had no idea his accent was thicker when speaking with his brother. I'm sure my "southern english" is the same way.

Mike Gallo
12-16-2003, 04:16 PM
Joe,

I knew I was going to like MG right away, we must come from similar backgrounds, only few know how to take my attitude and MG came right over the top and busted me. It was perfect.

In other words you usually rub people the wrong way also /images/graemlins/blush.gif

MG is the type that I felt like I’ve known for years, I can see why Fred G and him hang.

Thanks for the kind words. However I think most posters who have met me would probably argue about that. I think I act a bit to loud and unruly for some peoples tastes. Glad you can hang.

I had a good time as well. I had fun playing in the $2-$4 game with Brian and I enjoyed playing the $3-$6 with you.

The 4 hours we played cards together flew. I found my KK "steam raise" the most memorable hand.

I open raised from +1 UTG and announced, this is a steam raise. I had Kings. I think everyone called and the dealer gave the player UTG his cards back. Ok, maybe I exaggerated slightly however I did have 4 callers.

Flop came 8 8 4 with two hearts.

I bet JT raised everyone else called and I called also.

Another 8 hit the turn and I led out again. Joe folded two players called. A brick hit on the end, and both players called. I had the winning hand and dragged a nice pot.

All in all, I had a great time and look forward meeting everyone again, perhaps at Foxwoods the next time.

Joe Tall
12-16-2003, 04:24 PM
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In other words you usually rub people the wrong way also

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Some people just don't know how to take me and I find it amusing. I intimidate some with my height and run others over with my mouth I guess, but if you know me, I've never been in a fight in my entire life. After 31 years I'm pround of that fact, I'm really harmless.

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I found my KK "steam raise" the most memorable hand.

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Yes, yes! The hand before you got snapped off and you weren't happy about it.

I cold called w/K/images/graemlins/heart.gif9 /images/graemlins/heart.gif, I think, and realized you were being nice to me when you bet out on the turn and promptly folded.

Peace,
JT

CrackerZack
12-16-2003, 05:07 PM
Good god, 10 am you were still there? If you made it 2 more hours I would've seen you again the next day. You should've picked up a Borgata card and had them run your time while you were there. You won't get much but at least a possible hotel deal.

The Taj is gross, very gross. I wash my hands before and after going to the bathroom in that place. Its scary. And it gets worse as the night wears on as I'm sure you saw.

Sorry I never made it over to the Taj on saturday to meet up. One of my co-workers and 3 people from a fantasy football league I was in came down on Saturday and met up with us so I was never able to get away. I called sunday to see if you were still in town but straight to voicemail so figured you were on the plane. Glad to hear you made some scratch back after the loss the first night.

As for everyone else, as I said in B&M it was great meeting everyone and getting to play with mosch for a while sunday. MG, don't let Homer tell you you're too loud, you kept the crowd going. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Besides, it was your chatting that inspired mosch to offer to stake Homer in the 10/20 game... /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Anyway, it was a great trip overall. I really really liked the room and had a great time meeting up with everyone. I'll definitely be heading back down there some time early next year and probably to FW before that.

Zack

Also, I was thinking, after seeing mosch's 92 can we now refer to him as "Double Down"?

Mike Gallo
12-16-2003, 05:12 PM
Also, I was thinking, after seeing mosch's 92 can we now refer to him as "Double Down"?

I second that notion.

MG, don't let Homer tell you you're too loud, you kept the crowd going. Besides, it was your chatting that inspired mosch to offer to stake Homer in the 10/20 game...

I didnt take offense to it. I like to laugh and to have others around me laugh also. Unfortunately sometimes they laugh at me...not with me /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

See you soon Zack, take care.

mosch
12-16-2003, 05:28 PM
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You should've picked up a Borgata card and had them run your time while you were there. You won't get much but at least a possible hotel deal.

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I did this, and wound up with $60 in comps between my poker and my blackjack. They must comp pretty well!

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Also, I was thinking, after seeing mosch's 92 can we now refer to him as "Double Down"?

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Okay, but will you be still be laughing when I drag your pot while holding 92/images/graemlins/heart.gif?

Oh, you will... never mind then. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

MRBAA
12-16-2003, 05:33 PM
Playing live is just the nuts. I've only met two 2+2ers and liked them both -- interesting considering what a predatory game poker is. One of them is CJ, a stud poster mostly. As your experience, it's more profitable to sit with him over a cup of coffee, but more fun to do it at the poker table (at least for awhile).

Homer
12-16-2003, 06:06 PM
MG, don't let Homer tell you you're too loud, you kept the crowd going.

Nah, I didn't say he was too loud, just loud. Not that there's anything wrong with that...

-- Homer

FeliciaLee
12-16-2003, 11:12 PM
What a great report! I wish I could have been there. It is so weird, when I lived on the East coast, MG said it was next to impossible to get 2+2er's to meet up. Now that we've moved west, I see posters meeting all the time.

If anyone ever makes it out to Laughlin, I'd love to meet. The Flamingo Hilton offers poker room rates of $15 per night! Beats the Super 8 by a mile.

Sun Country offers cheap flights from different locations. The river taxi is FREE.

Laughlin sort of reminds me of Vegas ten or fifteen years ago.

Now Joe Tall is most definitely on my "A" list of great 2+2er's yet to meet!

Joe Tall
12-16-2003, 11:45 PM
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You should've picked up a Borgata card and had them run your time while you were there. You won't get much but at least a possible hotel deal.

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Yes, I should have. The deal would have been worth it alone as I plan on going back to the Borgata to specifically play poker in the future. It's just one of those things I forgot and by the time I realized it, it was too late.

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I called sunday to see if you were still in town but straight to voicemail so figured you were on the plane

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Yes, I got your voicemail just before my 2-hour, 45 mile, 3-inches of snow on the Mass Pike, drive from Logan to home.

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Anyway, it was a great trip overall. I really really liked the room and had a great time meeting up with everyone. I'll definitely be heading back down there some time early next year and probably to FW before that.

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It's always great to see you Zack, see you this spring, I'll surely make a trip down when you make it up again.

Peace,
JT

Joe Tall
12-16-2003, 11:48 PM
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As your experience, it's more profitable to sit with him over a cup of coffee, but more fun to do it at the poker table (at least for awhile).

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This is why we usually try to get a bite to eat together. It's never +EV to get table and seat changes so you end up in a game w/a crowd of 2+2ers.

Peace,
JT

Joe Tall
12-16-2003, 11:53 PM
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Now Joe Tall is most definitely on my "A" list of great 2+2er's yet to meet!

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Cool! I plan on meeting as many 2+2ers as I can. In fact, if I move out to SoCal in a year or so to be closer to my brother, I might drive and make a "Joe Poker Tour", posting about it the whole way as I drop in on 2+2ers across the nation.

Never been to AZ, so if I'm in your area, I'll PM you for sure.

Peace,
Joe

CrackerZack
12-17-2003, 12:09 AM
If you're gonna play that much also, you really should get the card. I mentioned it to Joe already but me and my GF had the front desk run our cards when we checked out, and they knocked our room rate down from the poker rate to 40/night. Couldn't beat that. Plus the place is the nicest in AC by a ton.

WillMagic
12-17-2003, 01:27 AM
Now, MG, I have to say you seemed pretty calm and reserved when we met /images/graemlins/smile.gif Maybe it's that you didn't want to act like an ass in front such a mature person as myself....or not....

Will

Mike Gallo
12-17-2003, 02:49 AM
Now, MG, I have to say you seemed pretty calm and reserved when we met Maybe it's that you didn't want to act like an ass in front such a mature person as myself....or not....

Thanks Will,

I acted pretty much the same as when you and I went to the Metropolis.

JoeU
12-18-2003, 11:18 PM
Joe,

I got JTG that Taj chip. I had to spit on it to make it "clean" enough to get over state lines. /images/graemlins/grin.gif Those chips aren't nearly as bad as the ones at Binions. THOSE are awful.

Great trip report. Now that the little one is starting to sleep through the night, maybe we should get another 2+2 Foxwoods thing going. I missed the last one, and your trip report congers up images of Rock, Kurn, and JTG at the 10-20. Sorry Barry, I read you've pulled a George Jefferson and "moved on up". Congrats.

Joe

JoeU
12-18-2003, 11:27 PM
My lord, $40/night! How much did you play? The Mrs and I played there on our last trip, but it was only a couple of hours. We stayed at the Taj. Did they just knock it down for you, or did you ask. IMO, that place is the "Bellagio" of the east. The Mrs and I were planning on staying there on our next trip.

Joe

CrackerZack
12-18-2003, 11:36 PM
Got there at 10:00 on friday, I played about 90 min but didn't clock out and got food with the crew, GF played right through, came back and played till 4 am. Saturday got up a noon, ate, got to the room at 2, we both played until about 8 when we took a dinner break, got back at 10, both played till 5 am. checked out the next day. didn't ask, they offered. I was shocked and completely prepared to pay the 125 price. We played from about 1:30 till 6 on sunday too. She got her aces cracked and got up all mad. :-S

Barry
12-19-2003, 12:41 AM
There is one good thing about the chips at Binion's. There so worn and rounded at the edges that they are very easy to shuffle, that is if the smell and goo doesn't bother you too much.

JoeU
12-19-2003, 06:21 PM
I thought you were gonna say that they are so worn that you can sometimes get a 100# rack with 102 or 103 chips in it. I think that's +ev. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

JoeU
12-19-2003, 06:23 PM
Zack,

Thanks for the info. If I remember correctly, the GF plays 2-4 or 3-6. Mow, if I could just get the Mrs to play.

James282
12-20-2003, 09:04 PM
i am back in new jersey, if you folks are meeting up again, let me know! I can basically go to AC any day of the week. I am also going to Vegas January 3-5 if anybody wants to meet up.
-James

bunky9590
12-20-2003, 10:10 PM
Yeah, she had to lick Zack's wounds from Fri night. (Poor guy /images/graemlins/wink.gif)
And she actually got the money in the 2-4 game.

Nice gal BTW Zack. My wife plays but doesn't play much anymore.