Waiting for the big blind or ...

posting the additional blind right away when you sit down. What would you do? I mean I could save a small bet, but then again I could play some additional hands for free instead of waiting, and it may also make my loose and unknowing opponents more observant. Best thing probably is to wait if the big blind is near, and to post the additional blind when it takes longer. Your thoughts?

its a patience game. wait to post after the blind...


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Amen...use the time to get a handle on your opponents play.

In a typical middle limit game, the pot is much more likely to get raised when you put extra money in the pot. If it is a $20-$40 game, there is now $50 being put in by players holding random hands ($10 small blind, $20 big blind, and now a $20 late position blind posted by you). Why would you want to put money in a pot on a random hand especially when it is much more likely to get raised?

Yes...and then a lot of players end up calling

the raise with mediocre hands (seeing as theyve thrown in 20 anyway) and sometimes end

up getting trapped with kicker trouble etc.

What a great way to start the session NOT!

I aviod it completely...little to gain and plenty

to lose.

Ok, in aggressive games it´s clear that I don´t post. But let´s assume you could post in the cutoff or to the right of the cutoff in a full-handed, loose and passive game. Would you still not post the additional blind, and thus maybe make your opponents more watchful?

If you post in the cut off you avoid the small blind but you miss the button. So the pluses of posting late are you play


1. a random hand in better position than playing it in the BB.


2. you avoid the cost of the small blind.


The pluses of posting in the BB instead are:


1. You get the button.


Does the cost of the small blind and having the random hand for a full bet in better position make up for not getting the button (and siting out waiting for the blind to come around)?

In that case it would depend upon the cost of the small blind. If the small blind is only 1/3 of a bet as in a $3-$6 game then I would not post because the value of the 3 extra hands you get which include the button is worth paying the small blind. If the small blind is 2/3 of a bet as in a $15-$30 game with a $10 small blind, then posting is recommended because these three extra hands are not worth the cost of the small blind. If the small blind is 1/2 of a bet, then it is a tossup and I recommend posting rather than wasting time for the blind to come around.

we are talking at cross-purposes here.


"If you post in the cut off you avoid the small blind but you miss the button."


At first I was wondering if I had not learned the rules correctly (because it seemed to me that you were saying that I would not have to pay the small blind after paying the big blind when I posted an additional blind??? *g*) but I think both of you may perhaps have misunderstood the original question.


To clarify: I´m NOT talking about missing the big and the small blind ON PURPOSE (although your thoughts on this topic are of course welcome, too). I´m talking about entering the casino, and joining a game where I cannot find an open seat to the left of player who just posted the big blind (I´d normally try to do so because then I do not have to wait and watch until the big blind reaches me, and I based my thoughts on the belief that every other 2+2er would automatically try to do the same, so missing the blinds on purpose had not even crossed my mind).

To clarify my stance. Wait until your BB. There is no sense in posting twice during one round.

IMO it is best to watch your opponents and get a feel for the game while waiting for your BB. I would prefer to wait as many hands as possible for that purpose, so I know what kind of game I'm getting into, and adjust accordingly.

Yes, that´s exactly what I´ve been thinking all the time, but I simply was curious how others thought about it.

It's possible, however, that you will be perceived as a tight player. This can be a good or bad thing.

In my casino, they let a new player start for free in the cutoff. Is this not the standard way in other casinos?

In middle limit games ($10-$20 and higher) most card rooms make a new player post when he wants to enter the game. These same card rooms frequently do not require a new player to post in the lower limit games like $3-$6 and $4-$8.