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Boris
12-02-2003, 10:12 PM
I've been playing quite a few online tournaments lately. Although nl hold'em is definitely the tournament of choice for most players, in my observation there is alot more very bad play in limit tourneys. IMO, there are two reasons for this.

The first is that it takes relatively longer to become short stacked in a limit tourney. I think I can safely say that playing short stacked is fairly easy, desperate but easy.

The second reason is that most tourney specialists just don't play very much cash game limit hold'em; and there is a large population of European players in the Internet tournaments, who also tend not to play very much cash game limit hold'em.

As a result, I think an experienced cash limit holdem player can find some pretty good EV in limit tournaments with a few minor adjustments to their game.

1. Place more value on unsuited face cards and weaker aces (A-J, A-10). These kinds of hands of hands are notorious for making players the "live one" in a cash game when played in the wrong situation. Do not play small pocket pairs, ever.

2. Play a bit looser in the middle stages of the tournament and a bit more passive pre-flop. Aggressive play after the flop is always encouraged. As always, the line between smart aggressive and mindless maniac may occaisonally become blurred.

3. Loosen up a little bit on your standards for calling a pre-flop raise. This can be a bit dangerous so when in doubt, fold.

4. play very, very tight in the early stages of a limit tournament. IMO, this is one of the biggest differences between limit and nl tourneys. In nl, I think its OK to play a bit loose, especially in late position, in the beginning of the tournament. The implied odds of the stack sizes make it OK to gamble a bit and see a few flops. The opposite is true in limit tournaments. In a limit tournament you can easily double or triple your chips in one hand in the middle part of the tournament so just be patient. And also remember that the blinds go up relatively slower in a limit tournament.

Any comment or disagreement is always welcome.

Nottom
12-03-2003, 01:40 AM
I am always amazed at the extreely poor play at limit tourneys. Its not uncommon to see people calling 3 or 4 bets cold preflop for 1/3 or more of their stack. These same players wouldn't call that much in a NL tourney, but for some reason in a Limit tourney its ok.

Sure most of them bust out, but it seems to lead to even more beats for a good player since big multiway pots are common since you just can't limit the field with a raise, giving you that many more opportunities to be sucked out on. Of course you win a couple of these and you are in pretty good shape.

sdplayerb
12-03-2003, 02:21 AM
No doubt in my mind that it is NL.
Better players have bigger advantages as the mistakes can take a lot more of their stack.
For example AQ will lose a lot more to AK in NL than limit, and bad players will be playing AQ and AJ vs raises.

And these are the reasons I stick to NL and PL.

Often in limit a bad call isn't that bad for another bet due to the odds the bad caller can be getting.