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brad
12-02-2003, 05:39 AM
http://www.nowarforisrael.com/Bush's%20Israeli%20Advisors%20Push%20America%20Int o%20War.htm

Bush's Israeli Lobby Advisors!

The reality of the situation is that no one in Washington, whether in the Pentagon (top military brass, joint chiefs, etc) or in Congress, wants this Israeli proxy war against Iraq. Only those connected to the Israeli lobby want this war.

It is very important to know the identity of these pro-Israeli officials
within the administration in order to understand who is behind this
war-mongering and realizing that is serving Israeli interests, not American interests.

It is unfortunate that Bush has picked these people to these top posts. The sad fact for him is that in the instant that he decides not to go to war against Iraq, the Israeli lobby will bring him down, like they did to his father, a decade earlier.


Note: The Washington Institute for Near East Policy is one of the Israeli lobby's "think tank." Many of the Israeli lobby's "experts" come from this front group, like Martin Indyk.

1). Richard Perle----One of Bush's foreign policy advisors, he is the
chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board. A very likely Israeli government agent, Perle was expelled from Senator Henry Jackson's office in the 1970's after the National Security Agency (NSA) caught him passing Highly-Classified (National Security) documents to the Israeli Embassy. He later worked for the Israeli weapons firm, Soltam. Perle is one of the leading pro-Israeli fanatics leading this Iraq war mongering within the administration and now in the media.

2). Paul Wolfowitz----Deputy Defense Secretary, and member of Perle's Defense Policy Board, in the Pentagon. Wolfowitz is a close associate of Perle, and reportedly has close ties to the Israeli military. His sister lives in Israel. Wolfowitz is the number two leader within the administration behind this Iraq war mongering.

3). Douglas Feith----Under Secretary of Defense and Policy Advisor at the Pentagon. He is a close associate of Perle and served as his Special Counsel. Like Perle and the others, Feith is a pro-Israel extremist, who has advocated anti-Arab policies in the past. He is closely associated with the extremist group, the Zionist Organization of America, which even attacks Jews that don't agree with its extremist views. Feith frequently speaks at ZOA conferences. Feith runs a small law firm, Feith and Zell, which only has one
International office, in Israel. The majority of their legal work is
representing Israeli interests. His firm's own website stated, prior to his appointment, that Feith "represents Israeli Armaments Manufacturer." Feith basically represents the Israeli War Machine. Feith, like Perle and Wolfowitz, are campaigning hard for this Israeli proxy war against Iraq.

4). Edward Luttwak----Member of the National Security Study Group of the Department of Defence at the Pentagon. Luttwak is reportedly an Israeli citizen and has taught in Israel. He frequently writes for Israeli and pro-Israeli newspapers and journals. Luttwak is an Israeli extremist whose main theme in many of his articles is the necessity of the U.S. waging war against Iraq.

5). Henry Kissinger-----One of many Pentagon Advisors, Kissinger sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle. For detailed information about Kissinger's evil past, read Seymour Hersch's book (Price of Power: Kissinger in the Nixon White House). Kissinger had a part in the Watergate crimes,
Southeast Asia mass murders, Chile dictatorship, and more recently served as Serbian Dictator Slobodan Milosevic's Advisor. He consistently advocates going to war against Iraq. Kissinger is the Ariel Sharon of the U.S.

6). Dov Zakheim----Under Secretary of Defense, Comptroller, and Chief Financial Officer (CFO) for the Department of Defense. He is an ordained rabbi and reportedly holds Israeli citizenship. Zakheim attended attended Jew's College in London and became an ordained Orthodox Jewish Rabbi in 1973. He was adjunct professor at New York's Jewish Yeshiva University. Zakheim is close to the Israeli lobby.

7). Kenneth Adelman-----One of many Pentagon Advisors, Adelman also sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle, and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor, who supports going to war against Iraq. Adelman frequently is a guest on Fox News, and often expresses extremist and often ridiculus anti-Arab and anti-Muslim views. Through his hatred or stupidity, he actually called Arabs "anti-Semitic" on Fox News (11/28/2001), when he
could have looked it up in the dictionary to find out that Arabs by
definition are Semites.

8). I. Lewis Libby -----Vice President Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff. The chief pro-Israel Jewish advisor to Cheney, it helps explains why Cheney is so gun-ho to invade Iraq. Libby is longtime associate of Wolfowitz. Libby was also a lawyer for convicted felon and Israeli spy Mark Rich, whom Clinton pardoned, in his last days as president.

9). Robert Satloff----U.S. National Security Council Advisor, Satloff was the executive director of the Israeli lobby's "think tank," Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Many of the Israeli lobby's "experts" come from this front group, like Martin Indyk.

10). Elliott Abrams-----National Security Council Advisor. He previously worked at Washington-based "Think Tank" Ethics and Public Policy Center. During the Reagan Adminstration, Abrams was the Assistant Secretary of State,handling, for the most part, Latin American affairs. He played an important role in the Iran-Contra Scandal, which involved illegally selling U.S. weapons to Iran to fight Iraq, and illegally funding the contra rebels fighting to overthrow Nicaragua's Sandinista government. He also actively deceived three congressional committees about his involvement and thereby
faced felony charges based on his testimony. Abrams pled guilty in 1991 to two misdemeanors and was sentenced to a year's probation and 100 hours of community service. A year later, former President Bush (Senior) granted Abrams a full pardon. He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Reagan Administration's State Department.

11). Marc Grossman-----Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. He was Director General of the Foreign Service and Director of Human Resources at the Department of State. Grossman is one of many of the pro-Israel Jewish officials from the Clinton Administration that Bush has promoted to higher posts.

12). Richard Haass-----Director of Policy Planning at the State Department and Ambassador at large. He is also Director of National Security Programs and Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the first Bush (Sr) Administration who sat on the National Security Council, and who consistently advocates going
to war against Iraq. Haass is also a member of the Defense Department's National Security Study Group, at the Pentagon.

13). Robert Zoellick-----U.S. Trade Representative, a cabinet-level
position.He is also one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Bush (Jr) Administration who advocated invading Iraq and occupying a portion of the country in order to set up setting up a Vichy-style puppet government. He consistently advocates going to war against Iraq.

14). Ari Fleischer----Official White House Spokesman for the Bush (Jr) Administration. Prominent in the Jewish community, some reports state that he holds Israeli citizenship. Fleischer is closely connected to the extremist Jewish group called the Chabad Lubavitch Hasidics, who follow the Qabala, and hold very extremist and insulting views of non-Jews. Fleischer was the co-president of Chabad's Capitol Jewish Forum. He received the Young
Leadership Award from the American Friends of Lubavitch in October, 2001.

15). James Schlesinger-----One of many Pentagon Advisors, Schlesinger also sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor, who supports going to war against Iraq. Schlesinger is also a commissioner of the Defense Department's National Security Study Group, at the Pentagon.

16). Mel Sembler-----President of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. A Prominent Jewish Republican and Former National Finance Chairman of the Republican National Committee. The Export-Import Bank facilitates trade relationships between U.S. businesses and foreign countries, specifically those with financial problems.

17). Michael Chertoff ----Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division, at the Justice Department.

18). Joshua Bolten----Bush's Chief Policy Director, banker and former legislative aide. Prominent in the Jewish community.

19). Steve Goldsmith----Senior Advisor to the President, and Bush's Jewish domestic policy advisor. He also serves as liaison in the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (White House OFBCI) within the Executive Office of the President. He was the former mayor of Indianapolis. He is also friends with Israeli Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert and often visits Israel to coach mayors on privatization initiatives.

20). Adam Goldman-----White House's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community.

21). Joseph Gildenhorn-----Bush Campaign's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community. He was the DC finance chairman for the Bush campaign, as well as campaign coordinator, and former ambassador to Switzerland.

22). Christopher Gersten-----Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary,
Administration for Children and Families at HHS. Gersten was the former Executive Director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, Husband of Labor Secretary, Linda Chavez, and reportedly very pro-Israel. Their children are being raised Jewish.

23). Mark Weinberger-----Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Tax Policy.

24). Samuel Bodman-----Deputy Secretary of Commerce. He was the Chairman and CEO of Cabot Corporation in Boston, Massachusetts.

25). Bonnie Cohen-----Under Secretary of State for Management.

26). Ruth Davis-----Director of Foreign Service Institute, who reports to the Office of Under Secretary for Management. This Office is responsible for training all Department of State staff (including ambassadors).

27). Lincoln Bloomfield-----Assistant Secretary of State for Political
Military Affairs.

28). Jay Lefkowitz-----General Counsel of the Office of Budget and
Management.

29). David Frum-----White House speechwriter.

30). Ken Melman-----White House Political Director.

31). Brad Blakeman------White House Director of Scheduling.

32). Colin Powell-----Secretary of State, ex-chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff, of Jamaican origin, he has one Jewish ancestor on his father's side. He grew up in a heavily Jewish-populated neighborhood in New York, and speaks Yiddish. The first day of being picked (12/16/2000) he said he wanted to toughen sanctions on Iraq, and will work to "re-energize the sanctions regime," even though he knows the embargo has killed 2 million Iraqi civilians.

Now that Bush has hired these pro-Israel Jewish lobbyists to the highest positions in the land, they have escalated the fanatical war-mongering against Iraq, all the while they support the Israeli war-criminal Sharon in his terrorism and mass-killings of Palestinian civilians. It seems that the price of the acheiving the White House involves selling out to the Israeli lobby, much like Clinton, before him.

There are some hopeful signs coming out of the adminstration, however. Despite this strong pro-Israeli presence within the administration, it seems that Bush has not yet jumped on their band-wagon, and instead is listening to the sensible leaders and advisors, like the Pentagon's military brass, the U.S. intelligence community, other groups within the federal government, as well as from America's friends and allies around the world. No one wants this
war except Israel, its agents, and its lobbies around the world.

The question that remains unanswered is, will the Israeli lobby use (or
create) some scandal to blackmail Bush into attacking Iraq, like they used Monica Lewinsky against Clinton to force him to launch "Operation Desert Fox," in December 1998? Watch how many of the media outlets and some politicians are blaming Bush for the all the corporate scandals and the huge recession the U.S. is going through.

What Bush needs to do is use some common sense, and have some courage to stand up to these pro-Israel bullies, and act in the best interests of America, and not Israel. The first act for Bush should be to replace these pro-Israeli fanatics with patriotic Americans.

Kurn, son of Mogh
12-02-2003, 11:43 AM
The first act for Bush should be to replace these pro-Israeli fanatics with patriotic Americans.

Since Israel is more in tune with American (i.e., capitalist) values, I'd say supporting Israel against its fanatical enemies *is* in keeping with being a patriotic American.

ACPlayer
12-02-2003, 12:57 PM
Yes, we support freedom loving democratic countries.

Our friends in Tashkent (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/EL03Ag03.html)

n Karimov's land there is no free speech, no independent thinking, no free press, and dissidence from the regime may be punished by death. Human Rights Watch has even compared Karimov's methods with Joseph Stalin's. Karimov may be a Saddam Hussein minus the gassing of the Kurds. A simplistic formula would state that Karimov is trying to modernize Uzbekistan's economy while trying to demodernize Uzbekistan's society. But even that would not be true, because economic modernization is also limited.

Immediately after September 11, 2001 Uzbekistan turned into an American client-state. Washington's professional Panglossians may think that American influence on Karimov will lead to social and economic liberalization. Nonsense. Realists who trade their armchair for a field trip find out that any sort of liberalization would spell the end of the regime. What in fact has been happening is that Washington's support makes the regime even stronger. Washington-Tashkent relations are rock solid. A Saudi Arabian parallel applies: Washington-Riyadh relations have been solid for decades - with no Saudi Arabian internal liberalization whatsoever. And to top it all, there are very few, if any, Uzbek members of al-Qaeda.

You guys dont get it at all. Nobody in Washington cares about spreading democracy and rescuing people. The Zionist lobby (per Brad's post) is pushing Zionist agenda, The oil lobby (see Cheney etc) is pushing the oil button. The American soldier is being sacrificed, the American public is being put at risk.

andyfox
12-02-2003, 01:19 PM
Again with this crap, brad?

Wolfowitz's sister lives in Israel. There are "some reports" that Ari Fleischer holds Israeli citizenship. Never mind that those "reports" were false, and that they were "reported" on out-and-out anti-semitic web sites, and that Fleischer is no longer the press secretary and had exactly zero input into policy anyway. Christopher Gersten's children are being raised jewish. Joshua Bolten is a "banker" and "prominent in the Jewish community." Apparently the fact that Monica Lewinsky was Jewish had something to do with Clinton's foreign policy. And my favorite: Colin Powell speaks Yiddish.

The author's solution: Bush should fire all these "Jewish lobbyists."

Shame on you, brad.

Chris Alger
12-02-2003, 01:49 PM
This is offensive and irrational. Do you discern much difference in the attitudes and policies that these people advocate for the U.S. (beyond just Israel and the Middle East) and those they advocate for Israel? Israel relies on its military strength to impose unilateral solutions on its political conflicts and brooks no competitor within its sphere of influence. These guys want the U.S. to do the same on a global scale. So how does it follow that they seek to advance the "interests" of Israel but not those of the U.S.? It seems that the overall philosophy should be in the interests of both or neither, not just one of them.

BTW, other than the people on your list are (presumably) Jewish, how can you tell the difference between what they want and what the entire activist branch of the foreign policy right wants, especially the Christian right and GOP stalwarts like Tom Delay, even when it comes to U.S.-Israel and the Middle East? If you can't, then you have to conclude that the latter are just as devoted to the "Israel's interests" to the detriment of the U.S., which aside from being implausible under the very presumptions of your critique means that singling out the Jews within this larger homogenous group is gratuitous anti-Semitism.

nicky g
12-02-2003, 02:14 PM
This article is badly written and has distictly antisemitic overtones. Colin Powell grew up in a Jewish neighbourhood? C'mon, what does that have to do with Israel? What an utterly absurd criticism of someone. There may be legitimate concerns about an administration staffed by people with unusually close ties to another country but this is not the way to go about it. The article seems far more concerned with Jews than Israelis. It doesn't even bother to connect Kissinger (and a bunch of others) to Israel; presumably because he's Jewish we're supposed to connect him with it ourselves. Another example: "20). Adam Goldman-----White House's Special Liaison to the Jewish Community." So what? What's wrong with having an adviser to the Jewish community? What's that got to do with Israel, or Iraq, or foreign policy?

"27). Lincoln Bloomfield-----Assistant Secretary of State for Political
Military Affairs."

What's the criticism? That he has a Jewish name? Sorry Brad, this is garbage.

nicky g
12-02-2003, 02:17 PM
"they used Monica Lewinsky against Clinton to force him to launch "Operation Desert Fox," in December 1998? Watch how many of the media outlets and some politicians are blaming Bush for the all the corporate scandals and the huge recession the U.S. is going through."

not heard that one before.

brad
12-02-2003, 05:49 PM
i think it should be discussed, whether it is true or not. perhaps especially if it is not true.

one question though. is prophylactic torture being advocated in the US? who is doing it? where else in the world is this legitimized? and can we agree that it is completely unamerican?

and so the question - shouldnt we ask whether theres something going on here? or should we just get ready to invade every muslim country? (syria, iran, libya, etc.)

brad
12-02-2003, 05:52 PM
i think it should be discussed, whether it is true or not. perhaps especially if it is not true.

one question though. is prophylactic torture being advocated in the US? who is doing it? where else in the world is this legitimized? and can we agree that it is completely unamerican?

and so the question - shouldnt we ask whether theres something going on here? or should we just get ready to invade every muslim country? (syria, iran, libya, etc.)

'So how does it follow that they seek to advance the "interests" of Israel but not those of the U.S.? It seems that the overall philosophy should be in the interests of both or neither, not just one of them.'

from what i understand the 'globalists' run israel and america. you just have to look at the devastation caused by nafta/gatt and now this free trade area of the americas, negotiated in miami where police rose to chicago 1968 levels, to see it.

Cyrus
12-02-2003, 05:53 PM
Any article that finds common ground between Henry "War Criminal" Kisssinger and E. Luttwak is out to lunch. They're both Jewish, right? What a scoop.

That text has all the signs of classic anti-semitic paranoia. It's one thing to expose the very real and disproportionate influence wielded in American politics by the Jewish-American political action committees, and it's quite another to engage in that kind of sleazy propaganda.

brad
12-02-2003, 06:07 PM
what i would like to see is documentation of richard perle handing classified documents to the israeli embassy. btw, ive heard that before on the radio but havent read it in mainstream.

agree that this particular website was proably racist, but that doesnt mean the info is wrong, as other websites (counterpunch, for example) publish basically the same thing.

but the main thing is that if its total garbage then theres no harm publishing it as it can be easily disproven.

Cyrus
12-02-2003, 06:09 PM
"Israel is more in tune with American (i.e., capitalist) values"

Now, if I was to recommend to you that, before posting such embarassing howlers, you'd better look up some reading material or run some websearch about Israel's proud socialist roots (start with kibutzim) and the righteous and strong socialist undercurrent in Israeli politics, you would accuse me again of being unfair with you. You might even want to threaten me phycisally also, as is your wont.

But so be it, here goes : You don't know what you're talking about when you talk about Israel.

MMMMMM
12-02-2003, 07:23 PM
"one question though. is prophylactic torture being advocated in the US?"

Yes, brad: a far-right chastity advocacy group known as the Citizens For Genuine Morality has started surreptitiously putting itching powder into condoms on display in drugstore aisle racks across the Deep South.

"who is doing it?"

A few fanatics who otherwise would probably be in siege of an abortion clinic somewhere. This is their first attempt at pre-emptive action.

"where else in the world is this legitimized?"

It has come up for debate in a certain Mideast country as an alternative punishment for adultery. Also, I heard that something like this might be going on at Bohemian Grove.

and can we agree that it is completely unamerican?"

Yes it is un-American. Sick bastards. Where in the Constitution does it talk about enforcing morality.

adios
12-02-2003, 07:29 PM
"Sorry Brad, this is garbage."

Right nicky and so is this from brad:

"Watch how many of the media outlets and some politicians are blaming Bush for the all the corporate scandals and the huge recession the U.S. is going through."

First of all the US has had 8 straight quarters of positive GDP growth and certainly this quarter will be positive as well. Nobody is even predicting a down quarter for 2004. In light of the rebound in the depressed US manufacturing sector nobody can remotely call the current economic environment in the US a recession. Second of all the corporate scandals occurred during the Clinton administration. Arthur Levitt, Clinton's SEC chairman, lays the blame on the Republican controlled Congress in the 90's. Robert Rubin, Clinton's Treasury Secratary, is now a top exec at Citigroup (the largest US bank conglomerate) who got a slap on the wrist IMO for their role in the Enron scandal. Perhaps that's why Rubin is there who knows. But laying Enron and WorldComm on Bush is utterly ridiculous.

adios
12-02-2003, 07:37 PM
Hey brad being Jewish doesn't necessarily equate to being a Zionist.

brad
12-02-2003, 08:23 PM
hey there are lots of religous jews who are against the state of israel itself

Chris Alger
12-02-2003, 11:08 PM
"is prophylactic torture being advocated in the US? who is doing it?"

As far as I know, only Alan Dershowitz, to widespread ridicule. So?

"where else in the world is this legitimized?"

If you mean where do they get away with it, lots of places, probably most places.

"shouldnt we ask whether theres something going on here?"

No, we should be specific.

"from what i understand the 'globalists' run israel and america. you just have to look at the devastation caused by nafta/gatt and now this free trade area of the americas, negotiated in miami where police rose to chicago 1968 levels, to see it."

Different topic.

andyfox
12-03-2003, 02:44 AM
"if its total garbage then theres no harm publishing it as it can be easily disproven."

Certainly no harm has ever come to the Jews because of total garbage that could easily be disproven has been published. The world revolves around total garbage that has the imprimatur of gospel and people are harmed by it all the time.

brad
12-03-2003, 03:10 AM
'Certainly no harm has ever come to the Jews because of total garbage that could '

we're nor talking jews we're talking (trash about) gov officials! its an american tradition.


btw dont u see when a normal person like u defends these monsters it reinforces stereotypes?

did u see where richard perle caught years ago passing secrets to israel?

Mason Malmuth
12-03-2003, 04:19 AM
Hi Brad:

You're kidding aren't you? Does Colin Powell really speak yiddish.

Best wishes,
Mason

jokerswild
12-03-2003, 04:21 AM
Are you going to say that Israel controls the House of Saud too?

Mason Malmuth
12-03-2003, 04:24 AM
[ QUOTE ]
This is offensive and irrational.

[/ QUOTE ]

Hi Chris:

Are you saying that Colin Powell doesn't speak yiddish?

Best wishes,
Mason

jokerswild
12-03-2003, 04:31 AM
It's good to see that you have some objectivity and can clearly see anti-Semitism when you see it.

brad
12-03-2003, 04:32 AM
'Are you going to say that Israel controls the House of Saud too? '

why do u say that? although u must know that the british came in in the i think 20's and installed the saud bedouin as their enforcers in the area.

brad
12-03-2003, 04:35 AM
well everybody cant take spanish. you have to remember that the illegal immigration tidal wave was not foreseen back when he had to choose his high school foreign language class.

brad
12-03-2003, 04:39 AM
the thing is that this particular article probably does come from an antisemitic source and has that flavor in the article.

but the interesting thing is that counterpunch.org ran basically an identical article facts wise, but of course in a more academic tone.

so thats worth noticing.


that and im fascinated by richard ' prince of darkness' perle, especially now that i know he has *been caught* giving secret info to israelis in the 70s while working for a senator crazyhorse or something.

and youre defending him? hope u dont have a kid of draftable age .

jokerswild
12-03-2003, 07:44 AM
The House of Saud has had as much influence on the Bush family as any Zionist.

Gamblor
12-03-2003, 11:48 AM
He grew up in Brooklyn, I believe.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum!

Chris Alger
12-03-2003, 12:07 PM
I wouldn't surprise me at all if he were the only member of the administration that did.

andyfox
12-03-2003, 01:59 PM
First of all, I resent being called a normal person. I'll leave it for others to elaborate.

As you may have noticed, I've been very critical of administration officials. They're a disgrace from the top down. The fact that a piece of crap like Elliot Abrams has been resurrected speaks volumes about how they view the world.

It's one thing to criticize the administration's policies because one disagrees with them. It's another to say they're evil because they're Jewish or controlled by Jews.

brad
12-03-2003, 04:16 PM
'they're Jewish or controlled by Jews.'

thats true but zionists by definiton have a politica agenda, and these guys at rhe very very least arre members of zionist orgs.

at most (richard perle) they are spies.

Gamblor
12-03-2003, 04:24 PM
that I'd go so far as to argue that the US can trust Israel far more than Israel can trust the US.

Israel has far more at stake should this partnership be lost.

andyfox
12-04-2003, 02:37 AM
Conservatives, by definition, have a political agenda, and these guys, at the very least, are members of conservative organizations.

Right-wingers are more likely to be pro-Israel than left-wingers. They don't have an imperial foreign policy because they're pro-Israel; they're pro-Israel because they have an imperial foreign policy.

brad
12-04-2003, 06:18 AM
'Right-wingers are more likely to be pro-Israel than left-wingers. They don't have an imperial foreign policy because they're pro-Israel; they're pro-Israel because they have an imperial foreign policy. '

uh, LBJ?

MMMMMM
12-04-2003, 11:03 AM
...I'm still wondering what "prophylactic" torture is. I'm aware of Dershowitz' views on torture but I've never seen this term before.

Gamblor
12-04-2003, 11:24 AM
Prophylactic torture: opening the package.

andyfox
12-04-2003, 02:02 PM
We're talking today. In the 1950s and 1960s, every American politician was pro-Israel. The Arabs were the great unwashed, barely considered people.

And LBJ had an imperial foreign policy too.

brad
12-04-2003, 04:30 PM
torturree people in case they know something.

or worse, torture people so they dont commikt crimes.

you brush your teeth so u dont get caviies (prophylaxis).

use a condom so dont get preg.

so maybe torture so they dont 'go bad'.

heh

Analyst
12-05-2003, 02:30 PM
Yes, he does to a limited extent. Check out www.snopes.com (http://www.snopes.com) for confirmation.

Baltimore Ron
12-07-2003, 12:36 AM
Since some people seem hung up on Jewish names, I suggest that all of us goyim adopt Jewish sounding names. That way, the ignorants among us can hate everyone.

From now on my last name will be Wilsonstein (that's Vil zon shteen!) If you can enlist Tommy, he would make a wonderful Angelowitz.

andyfox
12-07-2003, 03:05 AM
My father had told me his uncle, the first of our family to come over from the old country, was illiterate. When they asked him to sign his name, all he could do was make an "x". The easiest name to teach him from this was Fox. Whether this story is true or not, I know for sure that the family's real name was Menachem. Andy Menachem sounds like a poker player, doesn't it?

And then there was the man whose real legal name R. B. Jones. When he applied for his social security card, he wrote down "R" for his first name and wrote it as follows;

R (only)

since they asked for complete given name.

For him middle name he wrote:

B (only)


And of course his Social Secutiry card came through as Ronly Bonly Jones.

I like what Eli Wallach said in The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly: one name's as good as any other, no?

When you comin' out to La-la land?

Regards,
Andy