Am I wasting my time @ $1-2 - What's a good win rate?

[harboral]

I am a long-time (twenty years) winning HE player. Mostly lower limit $2-4, $4-8 lots of N Nevada $2-10. I'm playing online now and just making a few bucks an hour playing $1-2 but have not had success at upper limit play. If anybody could let me know what kind of hourly rate is decent for a $1-2 game on PokerStars or Party Poker (single game). I'm tight/aggressive and obviously have some serious leaks to be winning only $2-3 an hour.

[jasonHoldEm]

If you're only playing one table I'd say $2-3 is an average win rate (maybe slightly below average, but not by much, IMHO). If you're playing multiple tables and only making $2-3 an hour total, you certainly have some leaks.

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jHE

[chesspain]

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I am a long-time (twenty years) winning HE player. Mostly lower limit $2-4, $4-8...I'm playing online now and just making a few bucks an hour playing $1-2 but have not had success at upper limit play...I'm tight/aggressive and obviously have some serious leaks to be winning only $2-3 an hour.

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B&M 2/4 and 4/8 games are often no tougher, and frequently softer, than online 1/2. I don't mean to be rude, but you may not be as good as you think you are.

Nonetheless, winning 1 to 1.5BB per hour is a pretty good average, and suggests that you may soon be ready to hold your own at the online 2/4 tables.

[Schneids]

A solid tight-aggressive player should be able to get at least 3BB's, minimum, per hour off of a Party 1/2 table, if you ask me. I would guess you are probably playing too loose preflop if you are making 1-1.5 BB's/hr. What is a typical see-the-flop percentage for you?

[chesspain]

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A solid tight-aggressive player should be able to get at least 3BB's, minimum, per hour off of a Party 1/2 table, if you ask me.

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Really?? Is that how much you make playing at these tables?

[Schneids]

Consider that the BB/hr rule is applicable in Brick and Mortar Casinos, where you play 20-25 hands per hour, with a larger rake and tipping. Now consider you play double the hands, with smaller rake. That itself bumps it up to 2/hr. Now consider the BB/hr rule is generally regarded as an accurate goal against otherwise solid competition with usually one or two tourists at the table. I think being that a Party 1/2 table is significantly weaker, on the average, than what I have described, an expectation of an extra BB/hr is very obtainable if you are playing one table, due to the looseness of the tables.

I don't play 1/2 on Party anymore and haven't for over a year, so maybe I'm wrong. But I have watched these games and railed for a friend on many occasions at 1/2, so I'm not completely obvlivious to what their 1/2 games look like, either. But yeah, I don't want to rustle anyone's feathers, so if you disagree, that's fine.

[harboral]

Just looked at my last 194 hands, won 25 - 15 without a showdown. However, I played 75 to the flop - 38%, last time there was a leak like that, Noah built an Ark. Thanks for the answers, I'm lookin to tighten-up and get more 3-bets in.
Best,
AL

[Edge34]

I have played the 1/2 game on Party with relative frequency, and on a decent session (when the cards aren't running so cold i could freeze my tongue to them), I've experienced between 3 and 5 BB's/hr (occasional heaters help the average). Of course, I also play the SnG's, a multi every once in a while, and some of the NL ring games, so I can't say I specialize. I guess to me, though, if you're just getting used to the Party game, which is undoubtedly different from some B&M games, starting consistently at $3/hour isn't really that bad. Like some others have said, though, check your PF play and see if maybe you're playing a few too many hands. This is imperative for the online game, in my own experience.

[MzLisa]

hi there,

Maybe its just as simple as table selection. Check out the table before you sit down and try to play with people who are really loose aggressive. Pick a table with one or two people that will raise with second best hands. Even calling stations who are not afraid to call raises. About a month ago I played in a 1-2 table at party where the hole table were extreme LAGS and i made 200 bucks off of them. That was a great night.

Any ways, i switch casinos too if i feel that the cards are not coming to me, and i hardly have to reload, ive been playing with the same 35 bucks i started with even with several cash outs. So stick with it, your time will come. Also not every night are you going to win and i believe that anyone who says that they do is a lie. Remember, you have to have the right cards to play and sometimes get lucky on the flop to win.

GL to you...........

[Bob T.]

I am pretty sure if you are playing well, that three big bets per hour is possible. You don't have to play tricky, just get your value bets in, and don't pay too many of other peoples value bets.

If you can remain patient and do that, you could probably get most of that playing three tables which adds up to $18 bucks an hour. I don't know what your standards are, but that is above my wasting time threshold.

[Webster]

38% of the time you saw the flop? Well - it's a small amount of hands to really look at but that is WAY loose in my book (maybe that;s MY problem LOL)

I'm seeing 27% and think I'M loose!

[AceHigh]

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I'm seeing 27% and think I'M loose!

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So do I!

[Webster]

I'm breaking even at those tables and looking at my hands can't see a major leak. It's the guys catching their 6% chance for the nuts that keeps taking my $$ away!

2 or 3 of those in a session will ruin your win rate. Losing 12 BB's instead of winning 20BB's really hurts!

I keep thinking I'm not aggressive ENOUGH but looking at the hands my bets would not have folded the player and I would have just lost more. It's a conundrum.

[AceHigh]

My guess is you don't understand when to play which hands and the importance of position.

Tighten up on you big offsuit hands in multiway pots, only play hands like ATo, KTo, QJo in late position. Don't play small pairs, small suited connectors (below T9s) and Axs until late position. These hands play well in loose games, but play much better with position. Loosen up..., never mind, let's not loosen up in your case. I would also tighten up by throwing out my loosest limps in early position and middle position.

You might want to buy Pokertracker or Pokerstat to see which hands are money losers for you.

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I keep thinking I'm not aggressive ENOUGH

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Against passive players aggression is not always the answer. Don't overplay your hands, take the free cards and free showdowns they give you. Calling stations, call, so value bet more, bluff less.