Holy Crumb, Don't Read This Unless You're mike l.

[andyfox]

Holy crumb, I played twice in the 6-12 Hold'em at the Bike tonight.

Holy crumb, I lost nearly two racks the first time.

Then I went to dinner.

Holy crumb, I lost another half a rack the second time.

Holy crumb, I must have lied when I told you I never lose, no.

And I have witnesses. 2+2ers. And the almost legendary ASQ as well.

[snakehead]

regardless of the title, from now on I'm reading everything you write.

[andyfox]

[CrackerZack]

there is this rumor around that 3-bet Brett is mike l., and snakehead, so maybe its accurate?

[Rick Nebiolo]

two out of three ain't bad /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[mike l.]

thanks andy i feel a little better now. on monday i played 24 hours and dropped $3800 after a stellar week before. then i went back the next day and was up $1800 before losing it all back and then leaving minus $600. then i put $300 into my paradise account and was up $4200 by thursday night. then i was back down to $314 friday night. then i went to the cardroom and played for a couple hours and made $200.

the weirdest part of all of it is i dont feel particularly worried or upset... strange.

[andyfox]

"the weirdest part of all of it is i dont feel particularly worried or upset... strange."

Methinks perhaps you've had weeks like this before.

My last four sessions:

1) Get down two racks in a 40-80. End up a $600 winner.

2) The 30-60 session from the good man in the casino post. Won $1,600.

3) Another 30-60 game. Get up $1,000 in about 15 minutes. End up losing $4.

4) Last night at the Bike. Lost $400 in the 6-12 game (!). Won $1200 in the 20-40. Then lost another $100 in the 6-12.

The second 6-12 was basically a game where everyone threw in either $6 or $12 pre-flop. Seven and eight handed flops were the norm. I won two hands: I had A-Q and won a three-way showdown with no pair; and a 4-way flop of K-Q-x that I bet in last postion with T-9 and everyone folded.

[mike l.]

"Methinks perhaps you've had weeks like this before.'

yeah swings, but this is silly. up and down $4000 over and over playing 20-40? horrid. oh well. ill just keep chugging along till i either go broke again or hit a million. or at least win $10k and spend it all and start all over. that's a little more like it.

[Ulysses]

Never quite that extreme, but FWIW I used to have much bigger swings and much longer sessions than I do now. I also used to get really pissed off at the morons giving me bad beats. Once I stopped caring about who beat me and how, my winrate increased a little bit, but my swings decreased substantially.

Maybe something to think about, maybe not.

[Ulysses]

I like your strategy, Andy. On winning days, play the 30-60 or 40-80 and on losing days, play the 6-12. This strategy can be refined to be slightly better by not playing on the losing days, but that's truly an expert level that few can attain.

[CrackerZack]

That is hilarious.

[andyfox]

I played the 6-12 with a friend of mine who plays those stakes. The last time I played with him before last night, the first hand I played I folded pocket kings on the turn, which would have won the hand. The next hand I played I told my lone opponent his two pair was good when I checked behind on the river and turned over my one pair, which turned out to be the nut straight.

Then last night I lost $500. He must be quite impressed with my play.

[mike l.]

"I also used to get really pissed off at the morons giving me bad beats. Once I stopped caring about who beat me and how, my winrate increased a little bit, but my swings decreased substantially."

i dont do the angry white male thing at the table, never really was into that. i dont consider players stupid morons and all that stuff. i like chit-chatting with live ones anyways, they usually have more personality and more of a life than the better players (who are in short supply anyway). i learned this way of thinking from tommy and andy on here a year or two ago, it has made a huge difference.

the games are sickeningly wild sometimes down here. when they are wild preflop but normal or even passive preflop i can hang really well and do great, but when certain players are playing it becomes harder to keep the swings down postflop. it's hard to play any hand other than a monster when you know youre committing to at least half a rack just to get to the showdown.

[Ulysses]

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i dont do the angry white male thing at the table, never really was into that. i dont consider players stupid morons and all that stuff. i like chit-chatting with live ones anyways, they usually have more personality and more of a life than the better players (who are in short supply anyway).

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Just stupid pigs, right? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

I'd never get angry at the table and also enjoy chatting and just generally having a good time with everyone. But man, when these any-two-will-do guys would beat me, internally I was like "I must beat these guys."

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i learned this way of thinking from tommy and andy on here a year or two ago, it has made a huge difference.

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And then, I started playing a lot with Tommy. At first I thought "wow, he really acts like he doesn't care when someone sucks out on him on the river after going crazy on the turn drawing near dead." Then I realized "wow, he really just doesn't care." Made a huge difference for me as well.

[Diplomat]

That's definitely something to think about, probably a good topic for the psychology forum. Case in point: I'm a young punk playing 50-100. I am up almost 3 grand in an hour and a half. A very grumpy, antagonizing fat old man three bets me on the turn with top pair, worse kicker, after three-betting me pre-flop from the small blind. The river hit his other card, giving him two pair, jacks and nines, against my AJ. He waits, and then says, "I can't win. Your jacks are good." So I roll, and then he slow-rolls me, one card at a time.

So I say nice hand, and rub my neck, and say nothing else. So he needles me a bit. And a bit more.

Suddenly I'm freaking inside. And suddenly I'm stuck a grand, thirty minutes after being up three grand.

Sure, it may not increase your win rate that much. But then again, it's tough to win when you are limp three-betting with 67s, for spite-value.

Ok that's enough of a tilt/bad beat rant for one night. I think I need to care just a little less.

-Diplomat