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CardCuda
11-19-2003, 06:31 PM
Posted this in "probability" as well, but since I usually play micro-limit thought it go well here too....

Just came across this in Ken Warren's Winners guide to Texas Hold 'Em Poker.

Thought I'd post it here to get some feedback.

Ken Warren states that cards have cycles and one should adjust their play accordingly? But the book doesn't really go into detail about when and how? I'm curious....

Let's say for discussion purposes during a 1 hour session you consistently see no paints on the flop, or maybe for a half hour...does one loosen up their starting hand standards and play non-suited connectors or 1 gappers suited from MP, LP obviously if you can see the flop cheaply, then again maybe not? Cold call raises based on the "cycle of cards". Anyone here experiment with this sort of play? Seems like you are truly gambling and risking alot more trying to play "the cycle of cards" kinda like black jack and "counting cards". Basically a "crapshoot" sort of speek. I Posted this here because like I said I'm curious and have had some sessions where the cards "seem" to run in cycles and if I would have played the exact opposite of my starting hand requirements (which are basically textbook hold'em hands), I would have made a killing. Also, I have read Super System, Most of Krieger's books, Hellmuth's book, and some other's and have not found anything on this subject? Anyone here have any input, suggestions, or stats, or books, Knowledge? Thanks in advance.

MaxPower
11-19-2003, 06:39 PM
I've not read that book, but based on that passage I suggest you burn it.

I could go into a long rant about randomness, but I don't feel like it. You will be much better off if you forget about "cycles".

Seriously, toss that book in the trash and buy something by those guys Sklansky and Malmuth.

bisonbison
11-19-2003, 06:50 PM
The contents of hand A will never, ever affect the contents of hand B. It may affect the way you play hand B, but your cards will be distributed randomly.

The only affect the history of hands you are dealt has is psychological. If you play a run of poor cards as you should, by folding early and often, you can take advantage of the tight, weak image that produces by stealing and bluffing slightly more.

Nottom
11-19-2003, 06:52 PM
I think this kind of crap is a big reason Warren's book doesn't get the best reviews.

If you believe this then I have a nice money management technique for sale that will let you beat any casino game you want.

Dylan Wade
11-19-2003, 09:43 PM
I once heard someone argue at the table that straights are easier to get in home games than in casinos because the casinos use burn cards and they somehow ruin the orderness of a newly shuffled deck. Completely stupid. haha

(especially when you should be using burn cards in house games)

Webster
11-20-2003, 08:16 AM
Parts of Warrens book is OK (I like the charts) but when I read that I thin he was writing it on crack or something.

What a load of balony

Joe Tall
11-20-2003, 08:42 AM
I don't know who Ken Warren is but he is obviously high. Put the book on eBay and sell it to some trout, no that would be cruel. I know, do the world a favor and burn it.

Shuffle, shuffle,
JT