'rights' after betting out of turn

A player bets out of turn. The dealer is aware, recalls the bet and gives the action back to those in proper order. Rules state that if no one elects to bet before the out-of-turn, then the out-of-turn bettor MUST bet.


Question: If someone DOES bet before the out-of- turn, does the out of turn have the right to raise?

Also, is he allowed to fold?

Where i used to work floor (and I believe this is the case most places) as long as the mistake was corrected when it should have been the player retained all his rights of action including both raising and folding.


If on the other hand his out of turn bet caused action which then became multiple bets he retained all action rights with the exception that the bet he put in out of turn had to remain in the pot even if he now chose to fold in the face of multiple bets.


mikeb

At Bay 101, I am told that anyone betting out of turn relinquishes all rights. It means that if you bet out turn and it is checked to them, they cannot bet. If they are bet into, they may only call or fold, no raising.


However, only few dealers actually practice this rule. Players really need to police their games when it comes to betting out of turn and string-betting (which dealers are not allowed to call).

The rules are different everywhere on this. In vegas the bet would stand if everbody checked to him after he did this. If someone still bet before him he would have the right to raise, fold or call. When i was in a small cardroom in california the rule was the bet would not have to stand if it was checked to him. I know because i had a player do it to me. And he did it on purpose. I was grabbling my chips to bet and he came out firing before i could act. I assumed the rule was that the bet would stand as i normally play in vegas so i checked planning on raising his ass as i had a huge hand then he checked. The floor came over and said he was not required to bet. I was steaming because i knew he was shooting an angle at me and got away with it. Imo the rule should be the same everywhere that the bet should stand to prevent peopel shooting such an angle.

I agree, when someone bets out of turn, there are two possibilities. 1) they like their hand and intend to bet, or 2) they are trying to affect the action on the hand.


If the action stands, if its checked to them, the player who wanted to bet isn't really harmed, other than giving other players advance notice of their actions. The angle shooter however, now has to put his money in the pot whether he intended to or not, and I know I've seen the bet out of turn then check it down angle more than once. If the money has to go into the pot when that happens, then there is no incentive to play that little game.


Good Luck,

Bob T.

IMO. A) AOOT is binding if a change of action has not occurred prior the that player acting in proper turn. In other words, if it is checked to a player who has acted out of turn, his bet is binding. If he has raised out of turn it is also binding.

B) If the action has altered in front of the acting player, then his AOOT is not binding. If the player bets out of turn and then there is a bet to him, he retains the right to call, raise or fold. His action is not binding.


I'm not sure if this is very clear, I'm tired


Larry