Hell bent on revenge

[fireman664]

Had to post to help me vent. I am a constant lurker, but hardly ever post. Just wanted to share a hand from party today. I played this hand wrong a couple of ways I believe....but thats not why I am posting. I have AA from the BB ($50 game, .50 and $1 blinds) My stack is $50 since I have only been at the table for 4 or 5 hands. 3 limpers to me (UTG is 1 of them). I raise to $4 with my fingers crossed for a re-raise. UTG just calls and all others fold.
flop comes 3 /images/graemlins/heart.gif7 /images/graemlins/club.gif8 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif. I bet $10 UTG raises me to $30. I have never played with him before, so I have no real read on him. I figure he either has a set, a PP (99-KK), or is just trying to make a play. I move all-in, he quickly calls. turn and river are junk, and he shows pocket 7's for his set and takes it down. As I am typing "well played", he types "LOL dumbass". I am really trying to work on dealing with the swings in poker (such as getting all in with AA preflop to see it lose to Q4s), but I was actually fine with this hand. He had a hand, and he hit it. He played it well, and I payed him off. What is the deal with his comment though? All I can say is it pissed me off, and he is now on my buddy list and will see me alot. He is a pretty solid player, so I would rather just find him in person and kick the [censored] out of him, but since I cant do that, all I can do is sit and play with him. Should I remind him, and try and tilt him (not realy my style) or just take quiet satisfaction everytime I see one of his chips? OH well...I feel better now. (damn, I had waited 600 hands for AA too...LOL)

[cruiser]

Hopefully now that you've had a little while to simmer down, you won't go too much out of your way to find this guy.

More than anything, I just wanted to empathize...I've played on party quite a bit lately (i assume that's where you were since i've seen you there a bit) - and the constant chatter and remarks, especially that pointed, are really getting annoying. I think most people are pretty quiet, but there are always a few who are really stirring things up.

Take quiet satisfaction in beating this guy - but don't go out of your way to find him....

[fireman664]

I think alot of it is a pride thing. I feel like he outplayed me on the hand (not that I played it that bad), and then to respond like that, is just dumb on his part. I may not be the best player, but I am a long term winner....and to piss me off is just putting a better player at his table instead of a fish (hope I'm not anyway).
The smart move would be to follow your advice, and not spend time looking for him. Then again I do go into houses that are on fire, and work in the inner city projects....so how smart am I? lol

[1800GAMBLER]

Regarding he'll only play when he hits a set.

8 times he'll lose $4, net = $32.
1 time he'll win, $50

On that one hand he made $2 EV wise. So chill out. That $2 will become a lot less if i add in the times you catch up, the times you flop set over set and the times you both flop overpairs.

So he made around $1 from the hand. So chill down a bit. He didn't out play you.

If you are still determined to gain it back, watch his play for a few hours, pick up the mistakes he makes, sit on his right and isolate his mistakes. You are going to have to stay hugely cool doing this though, and it _will_ take a while.

Do not be determined on outplaying him on any hand he bets, wait your time. If you just want to annoy him then run a bluff and show but for that again you are going to have to wait your time, and that has a bigger risk factor in he calls and laughs again.

[Guy McSucker]

I may not be the best player, but I am a long term winner....and to piss me off is just putting a better player at his table instead of a fish (hope I'm not anyway).

You mean you'll play better against him when you're angry? That seems unlikely. If he gets you angry, chances are you'll play slightly worse and may even become a losing player. Thus he turns a threat into a source of income.

If on the other hand you leave the table, you will, on average, be replaced by an average Party player, who will, on average, pretty much suck. On average. Same net effect for Mr Loudmouth. So you can see why he might be doing it, anyway...

Not that I am advocating this kind of behaviour. It doesn't wind me up as much as cheering when you hit an outdraw in a tournament, but it is pretty irritating.

Get your revenge by winning lots of money from the assembled masses on PP and not letting him get his mitts on a penny of it.

Guy.

[italianstang]

His play is my favorite kind of play. Not the having pocket sevens and flopping a set (thats everyone's kind of play), but the comment afterwards. I use this kind of sh*t talking tactic a lot, especially in tournaments where a player is trapped at the same table as me online and cant get up and walk away. It may be childish, or selfish, or upsetting to people, but there is no doubt that there is a significant reaction to it. In fact I am surprised that I dont see it more.

[DanZ]

I have not read the other responses, but I would think that your pre-flop raise was not large enough to pursue this strategy. You were essenitally pot-committed, in your mind, pre-flop, but did not make the pot large enough on the first round to make this correct.

The problem is only slightly with the first caller, who is getting nice odds for a set or fold strategy, but if he calls the $4, the others are getting even better odds at your aces, AND they have an excellent idea of your hand.

When he rasies you to $30, he is not really tring to get you to fold - he's obviously pot - committed, and yet he's not trying to shut you out of the pot with a huge, all - in bet. Sure smells like a set to me.

Dan Z.

[fireman664]

well, this hand happened after I just joined the table. I lost $50 on it, re-bought and played (with him) for 2 more hours. Cold cards! Ended the session -$38 at that table. He plays as tight as I do, and we were hardly ever involved in the same pot. To bust him out would take a monster against a monster...so wont be likely. I think the only way to gain revenge is to bluff him, since he will lay down a good hand. On the positive note, about an hour after the AA hand I hit top 2 pair with KJ, bet it strong, and he went over the top of me (all in).....and I folded. He showed another set (I'm glad he showed) I think he forgott I want to kidney punch him for being an ass, but none the less I was happy with my non-tilt play there. Usually an idiot trash talker doesnt bother me at all, but for some reason he does. I think it may be since he is solid, and I usually dont see this behavior from decent players.

[Shaun]

Talking is part of the game. Some players choose to be friendly, others act like this guy. It is part of poker- especially online where players don't have to deal with you in person. Don't waste your energy chasing this guy. It is best to respond when he says something- let him know you are not concerened with losing one pot. Let him know that he won't affect your play by needling you- and that you find it amusing that he tries. Then play your game and win money whether it is from him or not.

[Hobbes14]

it is pretty obvious that he read my book that i wrote on you entitled "bad players and how to put a stumpy fireman on tilt". more specifically, chapter 6 deals with how you cant handle the trash talk. its a good read, maybe you should buy a copy.

[fireman664]

thats a good idea Hobbes, I think I will buy a copy! Of course it will be with the money I took off of you, so I guess I should say double thanks! lmao (still, i dont believe you wrote a book on me....actually, I dont believe you can write. It must be very picture heavy)

To everyone else, thanks for the response. I still plan on sitting with the guy when I can, more for the challenge and to make it interesting, and just for the chance to finally see him make a mistake so I can type something witty!! (Hobbes maybe you can help me out in that aspect of my game with your natural charm and charisma, and overal witty personality....) I am not gonna go out of my way for revenge though, I am more interested in making some money.............and busting Hobbes. lol

[Paul2432]

This thread reminds me of my approach to obnoxious drivers. Whenever someone honks at me or something like that, instead of getting irritated, I have a good laugh. Sometimes, just for fun, I'll try and set the guy off some more by driving slow if I am in front of the guy. I love it if I can see the guy getting more and more frustrated. (this did backfire once when an angry driver threw tunafish all over my car)

Similarly at the poker table, if someone berates my play, I'll just give them a "lol" back. I try to imagine the berater yelling at his screen and I enjoy that I could get him so frustrated even if I did make a dumb move that turned out lucky.

Life is too short to let the little stuff bother you.

Paul

[DocHollyday]

Hi Fireman,

As my title already sais, forget this whole revenge stuff. Surely it would be a good feeling to beat the [censored] out of this guy, but while you concentrate on that payback, important dough, which would've belonged to you, may go down the drain.

If you get angry about comments, you have online the easy choice to shut down the chat, and I recommend to do so. In a live game you've got the opportunity to wait at the casino entrance or at the parking lot with your baseball bat.... /images/graemlins/laugh.gif Common it's ridiculous, stay cool and keep on playing your best game...! There will be a day of revenge, but you shouldn't chase for it.