Who are the best Draw players at paradise

[bygmesterf]

Here is my list, any comments, did I miss anyone? Do any of these people here post on 2+2? /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

<ul type="square"> Leather
Bigpooch
Hateful
Aces_Kings
7777
Betty 2
Sathmary
5th Street
Louise 5
Gammazan
Maveric78
SOS112
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I also saw the thread here on an RGP vs 2+2 Draw challenge. So who would win?

[spamuell]

What about TD Lowball? Or is he not allowed in this list because of his Mason-bashing? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[bigpooch]

yes!

[bygmesterf]

So any advice for a 2+2 newbie venturing out into the 1/2 Draw at paradise?

[stripsqueez]

always, always, always, make the blinds pay to play

it could only be when you are a good player in a good school that any other tactic should occur to you

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

[bigpooch]

The summary by Michael Wiesenberg in Card Player on
high draw (Aug. 1/03) is useful to a beginner. On
the other hand, there are clearly strategic and
tactical improvements and it is quite important to
play according to your opponents. A good book to
look at is Zadeh's Winning Poker Systems; and, of
course, you should consider Malmuth's Winning
Concepts in Draw and Lowball.

How you will do in the game is very much a
function of the opposition! Unfortunately,
there are no regular draw games of bigger
limits; rarely, you will find a 3-6 draw
and even more rarely a 5-10 but these often
only last a few hours.

[Rainbow Warrior]

Yet, despite your success and rep you seem to avoid the 3-6 when it goes. So does Leather it seems. You're right, though, they don't last long. About time for a 2-4!!

What other names belong on the list? I'd put Alice Liddell near the top. Wilky123 and _donsomething are often hanging around the 3-6 looking for action.

I didn't make the list - glad to remain anonymous - haha.
Didn't recognize "bygmesterf" - I wonder what his Paradise name is ...

[bygmesterf]

[ QUOTE ]
The summary by Michael Wiesenberg in Card Player on
high draw (Aug. 1/03) is useful to a beginner. On
the other hand, there are clearly strategic and
tactical improvements and it is quite important to
play according to your opponents.

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Don't you think he kind of overplay's two pair? and is too quick to raise?

How do you adjust for opponents who call too much, or are very tight?

[ QUOTE ]
A good book to
look at is Zadeh's Winning Poker Systems; and, of
course, you should consider Malmuth's Winning
Concepts in Draw and Lowball.

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What do think of the draw section in Super System, is it in any way still usefull? Doesn't seem so.

Do you think there are some old time California pro's playing draw online?

[ QUOTE ]
How you will do in the game is very much a
function of the opposition! Unfortunately,
there are no regular draw games of bigger
limits; rarely, you will find a 3-6 draw
and even more rarely a 5-10 but these often
only last a few hours.

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What kind of players do you see in those big draw games? Are there 3/6 or 5/10 draw fish? Is the play different from play at a 1/2 table?

Bygmesterf

[bygmesterf]

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Yet, despite your success and rep you seem to avoid the 3-6 when it goes. So does Leather it seems. You're right, though, they don't last long. About time for a 2-4!!

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Why Doesn't paradise promote draw more. It seems like it would be more popular if more people knew about it.

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What other names belong on the list? I'd put Alice Liddell near the top. Wilky123 and _donsomething are often hanging around the 3-6 looking for action.


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Yep, I forgot to include those folks. I wonder who the mysterious TD Lowball / plays as. And if he is as good as Stew says he is?

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I didn't make the list - glad to remain anonymous - haha.
Didn't recognize "bygmesterf" - I wonder what his Paradise name is ...

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I'm sure your make any revised list.

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[bigpooch]

How to play 2 pairs depends on the exact position
and who is raising (and who acts after you).
Wiesenberg's advice on two pair is not that much
of an overplay but will be against the players that
are more selective raising (hence, you need notes).
Players typically don't raise with hands that they
can do so. Also, keep in mind that this is a raked
game and it will play a role when pots get to $5 or
more or if they increase the probability that the
rake will be more; wouldn't you hate to think of
the rake when you are putting in that bet after the
draw? :-(

The raising requirements given in the article are
adequate but not super refined. For you nits out
there, you can get your computer to work out more
precise hand requirements; but of course, even
draw isn't played in a vacuum! Nevertheless it
is a useful baseline to work from, especially
versus a new player.

Your profit from these games comes from your
opponents' major technical errors. They may not
be raising with hands that they ought to, or
playing hands that blow off some equity such
as drawing hands and shorts, or they simply
steam away some of their chips!

And there are always fish: their error rate
and thinking can be exploited.

The 3-6 plays differently because the SB is
only 1/3 the big blind and hence the minimum
hand requirements will be somewhat tighter.
A dominating factor that the 3-6 players may
not be aware of is the rake: $0.25 gets taken
out of any $6 or $7 pot! Thus, the play should
tighten up significantly relative to optimal
play in the 1-2. The good thing about the
5-10 is that the rake is taken in increments
of $1 but that game is a rare bird yet I did
see it go for a short time just recently!