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josie_wales

10-31-2003, 02:31 PM

Hey,
You would think that a few of us making a simple mistake, that they would understand and allow us to get the bonus (tge refer a friend bonus through "the cup"). We are just basically doing it in the wrong order. I mean, we *obviously* signed up because of you....And you are clearly a big help to them. It would seem to be the right thing to do by allowing this exception and crediting us the bonus. That being said, I know that rules are rules and that they are already being quite generous. Heres hoping!
Thanks
Jason

AwesomeAli

10-31-2003, 03:45 PM

I also missed this by a few hours /images/graemlins/frown.gif

But i've PMd cup with my details to see what he can do /images/graemlins/wink.gif

AwesomeAli

Cyndie

10-31-2003, 03:51 PM

if the purpose is to get happy customers, they will...If they want players who feel shafted and never play there again...they won't...If they won't...I will start looking for a place that will...how is that?

And I will make sure that the money gets back to the players...but wouldn't you rather have some based on how much you play? What incentive is there for you to stay at TGC? if it is a one shot deal?

lorinda

10-31-2003, 04:12 PM

What incentive is there for you to stay at TGC? if it is a one shot deal?

For a businesswoman, you really seem to have a very big lack of understanding of how incentives work.

The Gaming Club has been struggling to get 2+2ers to even take a look at their site in any large numbers.

They have now provided a deal where they will make sure that at least a large percentage of us try their site. Some will like it and stay, some won't be sure and will provide feedback, one or two will run off with $100 of GC's money.

What then happens is the Gaming Club will make some estimates based on how many stayed, how many might come back and how many thought it was a dead loss. They will use these estimates to decide how to proceed to get those who are unsure to come back and to reward the new regulars gained from the venture.

There is very little point offering a large % of your promotion money to your existing player base until your existing player base is big enough to be worth keeping.

The amount of money that they can use for existing players, is, afterall, generated to some degree by those players.

I suggest we take the offer on face value and credit them with enough sense to try to keep customers that they gain until we see otherwise.

How's your website these days? I assume both your members are still there.

Lori

Mike Haven

10-31-2003, 04:22 PM

What incentive is there for you to stay at TGC? if it is a one shot deal?

I find this to be an amazing question.

Or did you happen to miss WHY we are all going to give TGC the shot, Cyndie?

Wake up CALL

10-31-2003, 05:00 PM

Would someone mind telling me if they accept other forms of deposit besides CC, netteller, check by mail or Western Union?

skaboomizzy

10-31-2003, 05:04 PM

Before this OIC situation, setting up a Gaming Club account was on my to-do list right after getting a root canal, electing a new pope and translating "War and Peace" into Sanskrit. Because I have no disposable income for the game right now... I've been using my Ultimate Points at UB to play SNGs and attempting to teach myself basics of a couple new games at the play money tables.

This is a brilliant move by TGC. I'm getting a freeroll to play against the Zoo. When I get some money again, I can use this experience to determine how ready I am to play in a KotZ tourney, or (hopefully) find out how quickly limits toughen up, and a whole bunch of other things about my game against top-notch competition. This is stuff you don't get from play-money 7-stud 8/b tables.

I've already taken a peek at their software, and it's not bad. I'll stick around if I get knocked out and observe... if I like what I see in the games, I'll be going back.

So that's why I'm giving them a shot. It's costing me nothing, and at the very least I gain experience and maybe a new place to hit up for a bonus later on. If I enjoy their site, I'm going to reward them for the great service they've shown me so far.

Cyndie

10-31-2003, 06:16 PM

could be...if the purpose was to get a player incentive..based on play...then i apologize...if it is to get a fifty dollar signup bonus and move to the next site...well TGC posts are even three times as long as mine...I read a bunch of them.

I know they want to hear what players have to say...this player says make bonuses for more play not more signup.

Cyndie

10-31-2003, 06:40 PM

Lori, please do not try to tell me that two plus twoers will stay at any one site when there is another site that will offer them a bonus to try the same skin!

This OIC seems to be a cute idea, and it *and* a lot of work byt TGC to get an idea of what players want, is a fine idea for the site...however, none of it will work if the incentives are not ongoing and based on play...Please think about it from a players' perspective ...the people are posting here all day long about taking money out of Empire to play at Party until one or the other gives a deposit bonus.

What makes you think that they won't do the same thing from one prima site to the next? The only thing that will not lead to some sort of whoring, is to just reward players based on how much they play, and then give them fantastic customer service!

So guys, if this is an ongoing dollar incentive it is on the track that will keep the ZOO...if it isn't, it is just another one time incentive until the next one comes along. If you want to keep on getting inefficient deposit bonuses and one time promotions that have to be organized instead of direct rebates automatically, then just keep on going along with the promotions.

It doesn't matter to me, I have situations that are good for me, that are legal...I just try time after time to get some of them for others and get laughed at...go figure!

thomastem

10-31-2003, 06:47 PM

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It doesn't matter to me, I have situations that are good for me, that are legal...

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That's it Cyndie the gloves come off! To insinuate that my sheep and Stud Bull are earning me illegal income is just way off base!

lorinda

10-31-2003, 06:51 PM

however, none of it will work if the incentives are not ongoing and based on play...

the people are posting here all day long about taking money out of Empire to play at Party until one or the other gives a deposit bonus.

Interesting then that Party is currently number one.

You are overlooking the outstandingly simple fact that poker players buyin more than they cashout.

Poker sites need buyins to survive, why on earth would they reward the winners and let the losers fester.

Lori

thomastem

10-31-2003, 06:51 PM

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When I get some money again, I can use this experience to determine how ready I am to play in a KotZ tourney, or (hopefully) find out how quickly limits toughen up, and a whole bunch of other things about my game against top-notch competition.

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You also might get to play against me too!

rusty JEDI

10-31-2003, 06:52 PM

The Gaming Club has been struggling to get 2+2ers to even take a look at their site in any large numbers.

They have now provided a deal where they will make sure that at least a large percentage of us try their site. Some will like it and stay, some won't be sure and will provide feedback, one or two will run off with $100 of GC's money.

I agree with both these. I think that TGC and the players are getting a good deal here. First off the players are all getting $50 free to try out a site and try and win some money.

And from TGC's point of view they are getting a good sized number of short term props to try and help jump start their Limit ring game action. I think that the rake they will generate will sufficiently cover the $50 bonus. And anyone whop stays on past the OIC is just gravy for them.

Cyndie

10-31-2003, 06:54 PM

Mike...I don't think you looked at the question...the problem is about four or so people unhappy that they got penalized for being fast to support TGC...and now think they missed cup's good deal!

My comment seems to be right on target that if TGC lets the people get cup's bonus, they will have happy customers...if they don't they will defeat their own efforts because the people who just missed the bonus are going to feel bad, not good...

Since others seem to miss the business sense of my posts, I will try not to be aggravated when I remind people that the first rule of a promotion...when you are giving something away, you want everyone to be happy...if people aren't happy...or feel shortchanged, the promotion wasn't done right!

However, it is an opportunity to fix the problem!

pokerwhore

10-31-2003, 06:55 PM

gaming if you read their promotions they do reward loyal play on the site. Certain amount of top raked players get to play in some big tournys, other loyal customers get free tourny entries to big events.

Not sure If I read this right or not but dont some top raked players get to play in a wsop tourny for free?

So the more raked hands you play the more promos you can get thus rewarding loyal play!

thomastem

10-31-2003, 06:57 PM

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Poker sites need buyins to survive, why on earth would they reward the winners and let the losers fester.

Lori

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They would do that because they would rather make less money. Duh. It's like sheep's night at the bars why offer men discount when all they care about is a piece of wool?

Look winning players go where the loosers go and losers go where they have incentive. Same thing with men, you waive a lamb chop in front of a guy's face he will be unable to stand up straight. See easy.

Cyndie

10-31-2003, 06:58 PM

Seems like a whole lot of players around here would like cash.

thomastem

10-31-2003, 06:59 PM

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Since others seem to miss the business sense of my posts, I will try not to be aggravated when I remind people that the first rule of a promotion...

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Stop!

thomastem

10-31-2003, 07:01 PM

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Seems like a whole lot of players around here would like cash.

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Stop! I can't take this!

lorinda

10-31-2003, 07:01 PM

Since others seem to miss the business sense of my posts

An example of your business sense is provided below:

If they won't...I will start looking for a place that will...how is that?

Translated for those who don't speak Cyndie. "If I can't have $115, stick your $65 up your bottom"

Doesn't seem like it makes that much sense to me.

Lori

pokerwhore

10-31-2003, 07:06 PM

but you got to look at it this way sites that listen to you usually fail. Im sure bigbet has been listening to you and close to a year since they went live and they got 3 skins and they still have hard time keeping one game going /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Inthacup

10-31-2003, 07:14 PM

WUC,

They offer:

Credit Card
Firepay
Neteller
PrePaidATM
EcoCard
Moneybookers

lorinda

10-31-2003, 07:40 PM

Stop! I can't take this!

Well that worked.

Why did nobody think of it 850 posts ago?

Lori

Wake up CALL

10-31-2003, 07:46 PM

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WUC,

They offer:

Credit Card
Firepay
Neteller
PrePaidATM
EcoCard
Moneybookers

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Thank-You Inthacup,

I don't have a neteller account and prefer not to wait the time it takes for a check to clear. I was hoping they had a method which I could fund quickly.

Wake

Inthacup

10-31-2003, 07:56 PM

I feel I should mention that TGC isn't requiring you to make a deposit. They're giving you the $50 just for opening an account.

lorinda

10-31-2003, 08:00 PM

They're giving you the $50 just for opening an account.

As well as $15 free (I think you have until the end of the day)

Lori

ohkanada

10-31-2003, 09:21 PM

I signed up using cup's link and although it said $15 on the download page, I didn't get the $15. I also did a deposit.

Ken Poklitar

lorinda

10-31-2003, 10:08 PM

on the download page is a section to enter your email address, I put mine in there and got the $15 yesterday.

Lori

Drunk Bob

10-31-2003, 10:51 PM

Do you know if this works after the fact?

Thanks Robert

lorinda

10-31-2003, 10:53 PM

I believe it does, but I vaguely recall it expires really soon.

Might be worth going to the download page and trying it, there is nothing to lose anyway.

Lori

Ryan_21

10-31-2003, 10:54 PM

What do you mean you missed Cups offer by a few hours? I just put his name in the refferal box? Was there a time limit or something?

Ryan_21

HavanaBanana

10-31-2003, 11:18 PM

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How's your website these days? I assume both your members are still there.

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*DrumRoll*

Gaming Club

11-02-2003, 03:19 AM

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I just wanted to remind everyone that I've worked out a deal with TGC where I get 50 bucks for referring a new player. Of course, I'll return the $50 to whomever I refer. You can still get the $50 OIC bonus. So, I refer you, that's pretty much $100 upfront that TGC is giving you. Just PM me and we'll work out the details.

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*bump* + a few comments ...

1. In case anyone is wondering whether Cup is doing this without our knowledge, don't. We're more than happy to have one of the most respected members of the zoo being so generous in kicking back his $50 RAF bonus. Everybody who signs up via Cup's RAF shouldn't have any problems getting the OIC $50 as well, and if you apply within the time limit for getting the $15 free standard sign up you should get that as well (so that's $165, not $100 -- apologies Cup for not making this clearer previously)

2. We note the points raised about people doing things in the wrong order, and we are prepared to be accommodating in this regard. We should say tho that we don't want to make this an open-ended offer which could easily be abused by anyone chancing upon this reply somewhere down the line.

So here's our idea of a fair resolution:
If you think you should have qualified, please PM Cup (you'll need to give him your GC alias)
Cup, we need to rely on your experience of the individuals concerned to decide if you think their claim is valid. We'll go with your call in each case, so please show these people separately from the others that have already signed up via your referral and that you want confirmation have received the $50
We're putting some limits on this offer, being that you must have (a) opened your account since our sponsorship of the OIC was first announced, and (b) requested your OIC bonus by no later than 12 hours after this post is made.

We hope this sounds fair - any other suggestions will of course be considered, so let us know what you think.

PS we're leaving the board for a while (probably the rest of the day), so we'll pick up on this when we return. Please bear with us -- right now we're putting our efforts into getting ready for the main event, so this issue isn't top priority but we will make sure it gets taken care of

Cyndie

11-02-2003, 04:14 AM

Somehow I knew that it wasn't your intent to punish the first people to help get this event rolling...Good Job!

It is a big relief to MH since he is so ethical as to be concerned that you would be outside your marketing budget if too many people availed themselves of your offer "retroactively."

I also know that Cup is sincere in making sure the entire RAF bonus and whatever CPA he gets from the sites gets back to the player, so the intent of the no spam position is really honored!

lorinda

11-02-2003, 04:26 AM

Somehow I knew that it wasn't your intent to punish the first people to help get this event rolling...Good Job!

LOL, so why the high and mighty threats and BS when you were the one who thought they wouldn't pay?

A quick recap........

If they won't...I will start looking for a place that will...how is that?

I would hate to see you when you feel that someone ISN'T going to do something.

I assume now you will try to take full credit for the actions of TGC, even though you appear to not even understand your own actions, let alone those of a sizable casino.

I assume you are happy now that this 'one shot' (Cyanide's words, not mine) has trebled in value.

Lori

jek187

11-02-2003, 04:34 AM

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It is a big relief to MH

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So, not only do you pretend to speak for the poker population in general, but now you're MH's (I assume Mike Haven, or possibly Mike Hunt) personal spokesperson too. You are very special.

Cyndie

11-02-2003, 04:37 AM

Lorinda...how many times do you have to hear that TGC...hasn't been here to alienate a player over a fifty dollar bonus...I would have bet money that TGC was going to be fair with the people who were first to sign up at the site...it was plastered all over their posts!

Anyone who read my post with an open mind would have known that I expected them to pay the players who signed up. People who don't understand business would be the only ones who wouldn't know that immediately! TGC has made an incredible effort to find out what would work with players.

Yes, I would have found a site that would have honored the agreement, because it was just good business to do it. It is much easier for a business to keep a new player who has signed up than to go out and get a replacement!

The word "if" means just that, not "when." "If" I had meant "when, they won't," I would have said "when."

skaboomizzy

11-02-2003, 04:56 AM

You know, I'm thankful to get a $50 roll to participate in this OIC TOTALLY FREE. I'm not worried about another $15, or anything else. If I play some winning poker and can win a few bucks to pay down my credit card or something, hooray for me. If I don't, it was a risk-free investment. Either way, I'll most likely be back at TGC just based on how well they've handled this entire situation so far. If I like the level of their games, I'll DEFINITELY be back when I get more disposable income.

I won't look a gift horse in the mouth here. I don't have a five-figure bankroll, in fact I really couldn't afford the $50 to play this OIC if it weren't "sponsored".

So I guess I'm a simple-minded fool who's victimized by the glamour of FREE MONEY~~~~~!!!!!!! Fine. You know, it's always poor suckers like me that end up hitting the Powerball, maybe the same thing can happen here. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

lorinda

11-02-2003, 04:59 AM

Lorinda...how many times do you have to hear that TGC...hasn't been here to alienate a player over a fifty dollar bonus

The only person who felt they were unfair was you, I clearly stated we should give them a chance.

I would have bet money that TGC was going to be fair with the people who were first to sign up at the site...it was plastered all over their posts

You have never shown any indication of reading what anyone posts. You look at the title, and then reply to what you thought was posted.

Anyone who read my post with an open mind would have known that I expected them to pay the players who signed up

No they wouldn't, I had an open mind, as I didn't know what the gaming club would do, I wasn't trying to second guess another of your triumphs.

People who don't understand business would be the only ones who wouldn't know that immediately!

It depends if the people you are dealing with understand business.

TGC has made an incredible effort to find out what would work with players.

This contradicts earlier posts in the thread where you claimed there was no way 2+2ers would stay there.

Yes, I would have found a site that would have honored the agreement

There was no agreement to honor. Clearly people who didn't use 'cups name hadn't been referred by cup at the time.
This offer is an outstanding gesture.

It is much easier for a business to keep a new player who has signed up than to go out and get a replacement

So why do you think this one shot sign up is so great suddenly, I think it is great, you said it was useless before.

The word "if" means just that, not "when." "If" I had meant "when, they won't," I would have said "when."

What does the word "..." mean, I've looked it up in several dictionaries, and it is in none of them.
In fact I don't know what half of what you say means, and wish I didn't know what the other half meant.

Just to address an earlier question:

Why doesn't BigBet ask for proof of ID before taking the players' money?

Lori

Cyndie

11-02-2003, 05:59 AM

Just for grins, you might ask MH if he is relieved that the TGC isn't upset about the extra cost.

The only comment I made was to compliment him on his ethics.

jek187

11-02-2003, 06:17 AM

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Just for grins, you might ask MH if he is relieved

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I wasn't doubting the accuracy of your comments. Just pointing out that if 'MH' wanted us to know he was relieved, he would've told us so. I doubt he requires you to speak for him.

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The only comment I made was to compliment him on his ethics.

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Well, you made many comments, but Lori took care of most of those. I didn't read the line in question as a compliment though. If 'MH' was worried about GC budget being FUBAR, I'd hardly call that an ethical concern. Maybe kindhearted would be more accurate, but ethical is just more typical Cyndie gibberish.