First B&M win!! It was awesome!

[jumpthru]

Last night I sat down at the local casino $4-$8 for the second time...the first time I bought in $40 and was so incredibly short stacked I lost it all, but I expected no less being that short stacked ($40 was all I had on me)...but last night I bought in for the standard rack which still seems very short stacked...it seems for $4-$8 you should have at least $200, but $100 was plenty...of course you need more if you bust out, but I figured if I bust out it wasn't my night...do you think $100 is enough for $4-$8? If not, I assure you it was the standard, everyone kept reloading for a “rack”…why break the trend…

Early on I got AKo and bet into the flop which missed but the beautiful Ace came on the turn...later AKo again and flop came AK turn K river A, which now that I think about it, was a terrible card for me, cause any other ace splits it...

Nut flush hit later on and won big to the king high flush, and I had queens cracked and lost a little more than I should of...I think I realized how to play poker though...

People complain that poker is luck. They are right. Poker IS luck, but the fact is, the luck is spread evenly. You win big pots when you get lucky enough to have the nuts versus the second nuts...but the difference between a winning player and a losing player is a winning player maximizes his winnings when he is getting lucky, and a losing player minimizes his winnings when he is not lucky.

By not lucky I mean, a good player recognizes he is unlucky in getting a K9o in early position and mucks it while a losing player recognizes he is getting crap as well, but plays the K...what do you guys think of that theory?

I started off tipping a buck early on, but I later gave two chips on big pots...I want a image of a regular that knows what he is doing and that is very generous meaning money is not important cause I am so successful at cards...

I didn't tip when I won the Big and Small blind though...and I didn't tip the waitress for a water...I wasn't sure about that...she left too quick though, it is her job, she still deserves a dollar right??

Last hand of the night, I admit I got hell of lucky...I had pocket Queens again, and it was capped 5 ways preflop...I figured I was against Aces-Jacks...but I was still happy with the flop of 89J rainbow...I should of realized it was a terrible flop for me...I was just so happy to have flopped all under cards, to forget that the queen makes one card to the straight and jacks are a real possibility...

5 people called the bet on the flop, turn was a 7 making it one card to a straight...5 people called the turn bet, and the river was the 10...excellent... /images/graemlins/smile.gif 5 people called the river bet and they all played the board and I had the straight to the queen...

I suspect three of them had the other 10...one lady said very sarcastically "nice catch" and I said "I admit it was lucky..." but hey, I get to suck out once in a while sometimes don't I?

I scooped the $200 dollar pot and called for racks, and made that my last hand...

Do you think that is unethical? Win a $200 pot, biggest pot I have seen all night, and then leave? I was about ready to go anyway, but winning that pot definitely made my final decision. I could tell people were annoyed I was leaving after that, but maybe it was my imagination. Any thoughts?

It took 3 full racks, another half rack with another 4 $5 chips and 10 minutes to stack my chips...hehe...I tipped the dealer $5, it was his land hand, and the next dealer coming in which I really, really liked, I tipped him another $5...and then something I wasn't sure of...

I asked the floor person when she was cashing me out "Am I supposed to tip you" and she said "You certainly can..." so I gave her another $5...but what are your thoughts...do you usually tip the floor person? She was very kind too me and seemed genuinely happy that I won since she thinks I have never played before...

She gave me one of those new $20 dollar bills and I thought it was moldy at first; it was so ugly...just like to say that nothing is prettier than $100 dollar bills...ahh...

Quick question: The casino has the Monte Carlo jackpot system...assuming I flop 3 to a jackpot...and the jackpot is high enough...is it EV+ (or is it +EV?) to stay in for a bet on the slight chance of a runner, runner jackpot? If the royal flush jackpot is $2700, and I have three to the royal on the flop but nothing else, I have a $2700 implied odds right?

Thanks for everyone’s help at 2+2, it has made my second B&M experience a success. I am now off to play in the $20 NL tourney...

Nate

[CrackerZack]

Congrats. It is a great feeling. 100 is small for a 4-8 game. One suckout and your in your 40 situation again and have little chance of coming back. 200 is better.

People do get annoyed when you win a big pot and run. they figure you aren't giving them a chance to win it back.

I've never tipped a floorperson. Glad you did well, but feel free to keep some of your money. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[bdypdx]

Nice.

2 racks is definitely better for 4/8. Especially if it's a kill game. You probably want another couple of benjamins if things aren't running well...

As for leaving when you did...well, you can get up any time you want. You don't have any obligation to the other players to give them a shot at whatever you happened to win. If you continue to play at the same card room, they'll get to try again.

bdy

[bicyclekick]

Some guy did that to me...won a big hand with 52s by catching the straight on the river against my pocket Q's, and he got up and left...while fair...just not the best etticuite (sp?). It was really irritating, but of course I've moved on.

Even if you just play a few more hands people will feel a little bit better...you know?

[Robk]

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I asked the floor person when she was cashing me out "Am I supposed to tip you" and she said "You certainly can..." so I gave her another $5.

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If you're just playing for fun tip however you want. But at this limit it will be almost impossible to win if you tip like this regularly. When I played live I tipped either $0 or $1 per down, depending on whether the dealer did a good job and I won a pot. I've never tipped a floor person or chip runner.

[chesspain]

Always tip the waitress, even if she only brings you water.

[pudley4]

Buy in for 25 BB ($200 at a 4-8 table).

I tip the same as Robk - $1 at the end of a dealer's down if they did their job well, $0 if they did their job poorly. I'll tip them regardless of whether I win a pot or not during that time. If you tip $1 per pot, that's normal. Don't worry about tipping if you only win a small pot - most dealers understand if you don't tip then.

Tip the waitress. It's ok to tip $.50 each time they bring you a drink.

I have never tipped a floorperson.

It's not +EV to chase that jackpot payout. You are 1080-1 against hitting runner-runner (2/47 on the turn, 1/46 on the flop), but it costs $4 to see the turn and $8 more for the river (if you hit the flop), so you'd need a payout of around $4700 to make it +EV.

[nicky g]

"I think I realized how to play poker though..."

Lol! Good for you, can you tel the rest of us? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Congrats on your win. It can be a bit annoying if someone wins big and then leaves (sort of thing that would get your invitation to a home game cancelled) but hey, it's a casino, you're under no obligation. It matters a lot less in limit than pot limit anyway. Hope you continue to do well.

[mosch]

I tip $2 a pot, $1 if the hand was 'folds around, and small blind folds to the big blind'. I tip $2 for my drinks, even if they're water. Every once in a while I toss the dealer a $5 instead if they're doing a good job.

I've never tipped the floorperson, but then my floorperson also doesn't tell me which games are good at the moment either. Maybe if I started tipping, I'd get some friendly advice.

Of course you should keep in mind that while I'm up money from playing poker, I play it for entertainment purposes. I really don't care about the money I could save by tipping less. A more financially focused person would likely lambast me for many of the things I do.

[Vehn]

Wow you guys are cheap. I usually recommend to people to buy $.50 chips and tip with those if you're playing below about $8/$16, but that means every pot, not every down.

Personally I tip a $1 at the mid limits for every pot that I win where we see the turn card (and someone bets the flop). Yes this means I can raise before the flop at $30/$60 and take down a $300 pot on the flop and the dealer gets nothing. Life sucks, huh?

I tip the floor as often as I've received comps from my local room for the $5k+ I spend in rake there every year.

[onegymrat]

Nate,

I enjoyed your post and am glad you did so well. It seems that it was not too long ago when it was my first B&M visit.

"...it seems for $4-$8 you should have at least $200, but $100 was plenty..."
~I normally bring three buy-ins to play at any limit. If you're a winning player, you'll seldom need it all. Expected the unexpected, winning players run bad too.

"Poker IS luck, but the fact is, the luck is spread evenly."
~I agree. Oklahoma Johnny Hale wrote recently, "You can't control the cards you're dealt, but you can control what you do with them."

"I want a image of a regular that knows what he is doing and that is very generous meaning money is not important cause I am so successful at cards..."
~Tip what you want, but believe me, no one cares about that. IF you are successful at cards, the only important thing is money. Stop thinking about irrelevant things and focus on winning.

"...and I didn't tip the waitress for a water..."
~please tip them, even if it's just fifty cents. Otherwise, get up and get the water yourself.

"Do you think that is unethical? Win a $200 pot, biggest pot I have seen all nigh, and then leave?"
~No, not unethical, smart. Leave when you want. Who cares?

BTW, good luck at the N/L tournament.