backing off and then firing again...

I get Js-3h in the big blind..


5 limp


FLOP:


8s-Jh-Jd


i check, all check to button, button bets, i check raise, a middle pos. player cold calls(ruh-roh shaggy!), button calls.


TURN:


8s-Jh-Jd--Kc


I bet, middle raises, button folds, i call.


Here I figure he's on 8-8, maybe J-9s,J-T, or J-Q... big J's he probably woulda raised with pre-flop, and I don't think he'd play J-8s! So, on the river I will pound if I hit a 3, check and call anything else. I have probably 4 or 8 outs to a split, and 4 winners.


RIVER:


8s-Jh-Jd--Kc--3d


YES!


i bet, he raises, i re-raise, he caps, i win and drag a 20 BB pot! He had (an overplayed) 8-8.


I thought the fact that I bet out on the river after backing off on the turn screams "YAHOO! I JUST HIT MY 3-OUTER!". Apparently not.


I have seen this many times, another example from the other night.


A whole buncha people see the flop...


FLOP:


Q-7-Q


my buddy(who doesnt understand relative hand values, and will go to war with a 7 on a board of A-7-7--A) so he and some guy go to war and my buddy caps the flop...


TURN:


Q-7-Q--x


the guy checks and calls the turn.


RIVER:


Q-7-Q--x--8


the guy now bets, my buddy raises (my stomach turns), guy re-raises, my buddy pops it again(ugh!), guy raises again, buddy finally gets a clue and calls...


I thought that it was obvious he/I just spiked the kicker given the action. What do you think?

buddy had Q-7


guy had Q-8 (and slow-rolled him only showing the 8, and then spreading to show the Q)

I think a lot of times someone will fall in love with their hand and put in so many raises that you would think either A) he's got you beat; or B) he's fallen in love with his hand and isn't thinking too clearly. You see B a lot, even in big games.