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Luke
10-22-2003, 12:50 PM
Here are 23 selected hands from my last 100

on 2 Party Poker 3/6 tables. Both tables were good,

playing loose and passive. After the first 2

hands, they are formatted using Slavic's

converter (thanks a million!). I, of course, am

the Hero. Any comments on my play would be

appreciated:


1. EP limper, MP raises, CO calls, Hero folds

QJo in BB.



2. MP limper, Hero folds A4s in CO.

(I normally might play this hand but I was fairly

new to the table and wasn't sure about limping in

after only one limper.)



3. (8 handed)
Hero has Qh, Jc and is BB

UTG folds, EP1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, CO

calls, Button folds, SB calls, Hero checks

Flop(4 SB): Kh, Tc, Kc

SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets, CO calls, SB

folds, Hero calls

Turn(3.5 BB): 4h

Hero checks, MP1 bets, CO folds, Hero calls

River(5.5 BB): 8c

Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero folds



4. (8 handed)
Hero has 5h, 3h and is SB

UTG folds, EP1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO

folds, Button calls, Hero calls, BB checks

Flop(5 SB): Kd, 3c, 7c

Hero checks, BB checks, EP1 bets, MP2 calls,

Button raises, Hero folds, BB folds, EP1 calls,

MP2 calls


5. (7 handed)
Hero has 8d, 8h and is UTG

Hero raises, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO calls,

Button folds, SB calls, BB folds

Flop(7 SB): As, Qh, 6s

SB checks, Hero bets, CO folds, SB calls

Turn(4.5 BB): 4s

SB checks, Hero bets, SB folds

6. (8 handed)
Hero has 8c, Ad and is BB

Non Blind Posters
CO

UTG folds, EP1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, CO

raises, Button calls, SB folds, Hero folds, MP1

calls



7. (9 handed)
Hero has Kc, Qc and is MP1

UTG folds, EP1 folds, Hero raises, MP2 folds, MP3

folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls

Flop(6.33333333333333 SB): 3h, Qh, Kh

BB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, BB folds,

Hero raises, Button calls

Turn(6.16666666666667 BB): 3s

Hero bets, Button calls

River(8.16666666666667 BB): 8h

Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls



8. (9 handed)
Hero has Js, Qc and is MP3

UTG folds, EP1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero

folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB

checks



9. (9 handed)
Hero has 4h, 4s and is EP1

UTG calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3

folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB

checks

Flop(6.33333333333333 SB): 6d, 5s, 5d

BB checks, UTG bets, Hero folds, MP1 folds, MP2

calls, Button folds, BB folds




10. (10 handed)
Hero has Jc, Ks and is UTG

Hero folds.



11. (10 handed)
Hero has 9h, Td and is BB

UTG calls, EP1 calls, EP2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2

folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB

calls, Hero checks

Flop(8 SB): Jh, 9c, Ks

SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, EP1 calls, EP2

folds, MP1 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB

folds, Hero folds



12. (10 handed)
Hero has 8c, 8h and is MP1

Non Blind Posters
CO

UTG folds, EP1 folds, EP2 folds, Hero raises, MP2

folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB

calls, BB folds

Flop(8 SB): Ad, 4d, Kh

SB bets, Hero folds, Button raises, SB calls



13. (10 handed)
Hero has 6d, 5h and is BB

UTG folds, EP1 calls, EP2 raises, MP1 folds, MP2

calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB

folds, Hero folds.



14. (9 handed)
Hero has Ah, 5h and is CO

UTG folds, EP1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3

calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB

checks

Flop(4.33333333333333 SB): 2h, 3h, 9d

BB checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, Button calls,

BB folds, MP3 calls

Turn(5.16666666666667 BB): Qs

MP3 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, MP3 folds

River(7.16666666666667 BB): 3s

Hero bets, Button folds



15. (10 handed)
Hero has Kh, Qd and is SB

UTG folds, EP1 folds, EP2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2

folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button folds, Hero

calls, BB checks

Flop(5 SB): 2d, 4d, 4c

Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets, CO

calls, Hero folds.



16. (8 handed)
Hero has Qd, Qc and is BB

UTG folds, EP1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO

folds, Button calls, SB calls, Hero raises,

Button calls, SB calls

Flop(6 SB): Kc, Tc, 9s

SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls

Turn(4.5 BB): Ac

SB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, SB folds,

Hero calls

River(8.5 BB): 9h

Hero checks, Button checks

The Button shows Ad,Js for the winner.



17. (10 handed)
Hero has Ac, Jd and is CO

Non Blind Posters
MP3

UTG folds, EP1 folds, EP2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2

calls, MP3 checks, Hero raises, Button folds, SB

calls, BB calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls

Flop(10 SB): 7c, Ks, 3c

SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks,

Hero checks

Turn(5 BB): 2s

SB checks, BB bets, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Hero

folds.



18. (9 handed)
Hero has Kc, Qc and is EP1

UTG folds, Hero raises, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3

folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB

raises, Hero calls

Flop(6.33333333333333 SB): 2h, 5s, 9s

BB bets, Hero folds.



19. (9 handed)
Hero has Qh, 3h and is SB

UTG folds, EP1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3

folds, CO folds, Button folds, Hero calls, BB

checks

Flop(4 SB): 4h, 8d, Th

Hero checks, BB bets, EP1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero

raises, BB raises, EP1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero

calls

Turn(8 BB): 6d

Hero checks, BB bets, EP1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero

calls

River(12 BB): 8h

Hero bets, BB folds, EP1 calls, MP1 calls.


EP1 shows for 9c, 4d for 4s and 8s. MP1 shows

Ad, 3s for 8s with ace high. My flush is good.



20. (10 handed)
Hero has 5d, 5s and is MP1

UTG folds, EP1 folds, EP2 calls, Hero calls, MP2

folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB

folds, BB checks

Flop(4.33333333333333 SB): 3h, 2d, 8d

BB bets, EP2 folds, Hero raises, MP3 calls, BB

folds

Turn(4.66666666666667 BB): Kh

Hero checks, MP3 checks

River(4.66666666666667 BB): Qs

Hero bets, MP3 folds.



21. (10 handed)
Hero has Ac, 5c and is MP1

UTG calls, EP1 folds, EP2 folds, Hero calls, MP2

folds, MP3 folds, CO raises, Button calls, SB

calls, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls

Flop(12 SB): 7h, 3h, 6s

SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, CO

bets, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds, UTG

folds, Hero calls

Turn(7.5 BB): 5d

Hero checks, CO bets, Button folds, Hero folds.


CO flashes Ah, Qh after we all folded.



22. (9 handed)
Hero has Qd, Ad and is MP3

UTG folds, EP1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero

raises, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB

folds.



23. (10 handed)
Hero has Ac, 7c and is MP2

UTG folds, EP1 folds, EP2 folds, MP1 folds, Hero raises, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls

Flop(8 SB): Jh, Jd, 6s

SB bets, BB calls, Hero folds, CO folds.

Guido
10-22-2003, 06:35 PM
Hi Luke,

I will do a few of them.

1 Good
2 I would limp or raise. Depending on the blinds.
3 I would bet out postflop and call a raise. Rest fine.
4 Fold
5 I would probably call preflop. I would raise 99 though. But since you didn't you played it fine. If he was still around on the river, check behind.
6 Good
7 I would call preflop, rest was fine.
8 Good
9 Raise or fold, depends on the better and the table. I think with this many players folding is the best option.
10 Good if you expect a raise, else I would call.
11 You should call. I think you have 6 outs (4 good Q's and two 9's), that gives you 6.8:1. There are 13 SB in the pot when it's your turn again, so defenately call. I would probably even call a raise.
12 Good, but again I draw the line at 99. I would call.
13 Good
14 I would raise preflop. That saves you a lot of trouble. Then you can bet the flop and turn and if then the button is still around I would check-fold.
15 Good
16 Fold after he raises the turn, you have 6 outs at the pot doesn't give you the odds to call
17 I never raise AJo but in this position it's fine by me. If you raise preflop, I will almost always bet out on the flop. Then check behind on the turn if you still have nothing.
18 Again, I don't raise KQs especially not in EP. Rest was fine.
19 I wouldn't call preflop probably. I would bet out postflop and I would cap postflop (you lost some bets here). Rest was fine IMO.
20 Preflop: fine, postflop: fine, turn: bet out, I think you gave him a free card. River: why? I would check-fold
21 Fold postflop
22 Good
23 I would call

Well I ended up doing all of them. Hope it helps.

Thanks,

Guido

Luke
10-23-2003, 11:14 AM
Guido,

I appreciate your comments. You gave me a lot to think about. I like your suggestion to limp in EP w/KQs but don't like your suggestion to limp w/AJo in LP after only one limper. You gave some ideads to think about regarding my strategy with Ace-little suited in LP after no limper or only one. Some comments I have about your comments regarding specific hands:

11. After I had some time to think about this hand and your response, I think it's close but I still don't like calling all that much. I'm drawing to a one card inside straight that isn't the nuts. I would also split this with anyone of my 5 opponents who holds a ten, a card that is obviously in many players "playing zone". Someone could be slowplaying a made straight which would make my 9 and ten outs no good. There are just enough reasons to fold and not enough to call.

16. I think you missed the nut club flush draw that appears here for me on the turn.

23. I'm suprised you would suggest open-limping in here with A7s in CO-2 but in other situations you seem to advocate raising after one limper with Ace-little suited in LP.

Thanks for all the input.

Luke

Guido
10-23-2003, 12:06 PM
Hi Luke,

I do raise AJo but only in LP and with at most 1 caller. Heads up this is a good hand. That's why it was fine by me but be carefull with it. AJo isn't that good!

Hand 11:
You don't always need the nuts to win! Someone must have AT to have the nuts. You have one T so the chance that someone has AT is very small.
Split pot, so what? You win more then you put in the pot.
I wouldn't worry about somebody who slowplays. Most players will bet out when they made a straight. I think it was defenately worth one bet!

Hand 16: You're right. A pity the J /images/graemlins/club.gif didn't pop up at the river /images/graemlins/grin.gif. You played it fine.

Hand 23: I only raise these hands in CO or button with no callers or at most one. When you're in MP you should go for a flush and limp or just fold. There are too many players left to act and you don't have good position on them. If one of the 3 behind you calls, you have a problem.

Guido

Luke
10-23-2003, 02:07 PM
When you're in MP you should go for a flush and limp or just fold. There are too many players left to act and you don't have good position on them. If one of the 3 behind you calls, you have a problem.

Makes sense. I guess raising w/Axs isn't worth much here unless there's some chance of stealing the blinds.

But I wonder why you look to isolate in LP (CO or button) w/Axs and raise. If you had one limper to you holding A5s in the CO, would you limp as well if you *knew* the button, SB and BB would come along too? I guess I'm asking is 4-1 odds enough on this type of hand? My gut tells me it is enough with 3-1 being pretty slim odds. Am I off here?

Guido
10-25-2003, 09:35 AM
You don't know if the button, SB and BB call. I would raise everytime. If the button folds you bought the button and that's always great. If they call and you do hit your four flush that's great also. It is probably checked to you, if so you can get a free card if you want. Raising gives you the best way to win IMO and you get information about the other players.

Guido

anatta
10-25-2003, 10:06 AM
Just woke up. I just read the first 10.

All I can remember is that I usually call with QJo in BB (hand 1) and always call/raise A4s in cuttoff. Its a good fold by you in hand one if the raiser is tight, which I think you said, tight game anyways. Post flop I didnt see anything that I thought was a mistake.

Brian
10-25-2003, 10:40 AM
Hi Luke,

Here's my opinion on these hands.

Hand #1: Folding here isn't awful, and I certainly wouldn't fault you for doing so. But you are getting great odds to call here just to try to hit a straight. I would probably call here but be weary when you Flop a pair.

Hand #2: Given that you are new to the table, I would call here. (As opposed to raising if you knew your players better)

Hand #3: I would bet here for two reasons. One, as a semi-bluff, and two, to gain information. If I am raised, then I can be fairly sure that if a Q or J comes I am no good. However, if you just check-call the whole way and a Q or J drops off on the River, you won't know whether to make a crying call or not.

Hand #4: Due to the blind structure at 3/6, this is not an acceptable call.

Hand #5: Raising here is debatable, it really depends on the type of table. My default play is normally to just limp. That being said, the rest of the hand was played well. If the SB had called the Turn I would have checked through on the River, though.

Hand #6: Good fold.

Hand #7: Well played until the River. If you are going to call a bet here, then it is better to bet yourself, unless you are just dying to know what he has and immensely fear a raise. If he raises then you are done with the hand, and you lose the same big bet either way. However, many times he will check it through and your top two pair will take it down, and you lose a big bet then. See Theory of Poker's "Heads Up Play on the End" for more detail.

Hand #8: Good fold, QJo is trash there.

Hand #9: Good fold.

Hand #10: Good fold, KJo is trash there.

Hand #11: Good fold. Your odds are not as good as they seem because you are drawing to a 1 card gutshot which, with this board, will frequently mean a split.

Hand #12: Well played.

Hand #13: Well played.

Hand #14: I like the Flop raise which clears up your Ace outs. The Turn bet is fine, and I am pretty sure the River bluff is good. I don't think that this player came all the way just to fold on the River, but at the same time he could easily be on a draw just like you, in which case he missed and would probably bluff at it on the River if you checked to him. So yeah, good River bet I think.

Hand #15: Well played. I don't raise KQo out of the SB against more than 2 limpers.

Hand #16: Well played.

Hand #17: I raise here pre-Flop every time. I would bet the Flop when checked to and hope to get a free card on the Turn unless I improved.

Hand #18: This is completely player dependent. I've seen many, many low limit players re-raise here with almost nothing. But if he's not tricky and isn't a huge fishy, then you played it well.

Hand #19: Due to the blind structure at 3/6, this is not a hand you should complete with.

Hand #20: I think you got much too aggressive here; I would fold this on the Flop. That being said, with the way you played it I would bet the Turn.

Hand #21: A debatable Flop call. I don't really like drawing to a 1 card gutshot on a 2 flush board, but you have an overcard as well so it seems ok.

Hand #22: Yep.

Hand #23: This seems like a bad raise unless all the players behind you are weak tight. Seeing as how the CO cold called you raise, he is definitely weak, but unfortunately probably not tight. The blinds don't seem tight either.

-Brian