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andyfox
10-17-2003, 04:41 PM
Yeah, he throws at people and he threw Don Zimmer to the ground, but I think there's a good argument to be made that he has been the best pitcher ever over the last seven years.

Since 1997:

Innings pitched: 1408
Hits: 1009
Walks: 315
Strikeouts: 1761
Won-Lost: 118-36
Winning Percentage: .766
Opponents' batting average: .198
ERA: 2.20

All this while pitching in an era that has seen the most runs scored per game in history and pitching most of his games in Fenway Park. Remarkable.

andyfox
10-17-2003, 04:47 PM
To show how Fenway afffects his stats, from 2000 thru 2002, Pedro's road ERA was 1.83; in Fenway, 2.84. In 2003, his road ERA was 1.57; in Fenway, 3.13.

CrackerZack
10-17-2003, 04:53 PM
I went on a baseball trip in 2001 and in my notes about Comerica park, I put "If Pedro Martinez pitched half his games here, Bob Gibson 1.12 record might be in trouble." The fact its in fenway makes it more amazing. That being said... I wish the next batter the little thug throws at pulls a Trot Nixon and throws the bat at him. And I hope it hits him and takes him out for the year.

Dynasty
10-17-2003, 07:48 PM
I'm sure your numbers are accurate but they are misleading.

All the Fenway statistics since the mid-80's show that Fenway Park has become an average hitter's park since the club built the 700 Club (luxury/press/etc. boxes behind home plate).

daryn
10-17-2003, 08:28 PM
pedro's stats really are remarkable. did you see on fox where they compared his numbers to koufax? ahead in each category.. of course he is not done pitching yet. but he has pitched for a while.

daryn
10-17-2003, 08:29 PM
wait, what does this mean? i'm sorry i didn't follow this one.

daryn
10-17-2003, 08:31 PM
come on man, it's clear you hate pedro, but he's not a "thug". any good pitcher knows sometimes you have to back a guy off the plate, and you do whatever you can with the ball. clemens is a great pitcher, and he will throw at a guy, no hesitation.. what about that mike piazza drama? the bat shatters, and heads towards clemens uncontrollably, yet clemens feels the need to throw the piece of bat back at piazza?

Dynasty
10-17-2003, 08:48 PM
I'm saying:

1. Fenway Park became an average hitter's ballpark compared to the rest of the Major League ballparks since the 700 club was build in the 1980's. Oakland's ballpark would be an example of a pitcher's ballpark. The Ballpark at Arlington would be an example of a hitter's ballpark.

2. Pedro's home/road #'s are an aberration. It's like losing with AA five times in a row.

Stats Inc. has published quite a bit of data showing ballpark effects on hitting. In the last ten minutes, I was only able to dig up bits and pieces and the stats.com website doesn't appear to give out the information free.

daryn
10-18-2003, 12:11 AM
but what does building the 700 club (now called the 406 club i believe) have to do with hitting at the parK?

andyfox
10-18-2003, 01:48 AM
I was able to find the total number of runs scored by the Red Sox and their opponents at home and on the road for the last 3 seasons:

2001: Fenway: 769 On the road: 758
2002: Fenway: 749 On the road: 775
2003: Fenway: 927 On the road: 843

Total Baseball gives the park factor for Fenway as 102 in 1998; 103 in 1999; and 104 in 2000. Bill James gives Fenway 1.03 in 2001.

So the stats seem to show Fenway still determental to pitchers than an average park, but certainly not by as much as I had thought.

Anyway, seems Pedro is plenty impressive, even assuming Fenway is just an average park.

Dynasty
10-18-2003, 02:05 AM
The belief is that adding the structure to the park changed the wind patterns inside the park. Prior to the construction, the wind regularly blew out to left field. Now, the extra structure blocks and shifts that.

daryn
10-18-2003, 02:08 AM
i see, thanks