msk
10-12-2003, 12:04 AM
I watched an interesting hand last night online in a PLO 2/4 ($400 buyin) at Paradise (44% avg preflop).
MP (about $380, agressive player) raises to $8, three callers, then called by SB (with about $180) and BB. 5 players in for $40.
Flop is K /images/graemlins/spade.gifQ /images/graemlins/diamond.gifJ /images/graemlins/club.gif. All check. I am surprised. Come-on, someone has AT, someone else has trips. Ok.
Turn is 4 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB bets $40 (pot), fold to MP who raises to $80. All otherw fold, SB re-raises, and then MP reraises SB all-in.
River is K (no flush). MP wins with JJ /images/graemlins/diamond.gifT /images/graemlins/diamond.gif9 for a fullhouse. SB had AAT5r for flopped straight. (5 might be wrong, but a rag).
Ok, now that we know the cards, what are the correct plays?
1. Should SB bet the pot on the flopped nut str8, with 4 players to follow? And likely trips (and possibly two pair also) out there? (but no flush looming).
2. Should SB bet the turn, which misses making a possible FH, but makes a 4 flush? Or should SB wait for a safe river?
(Maybe call the pot bet on the turn and give up if losing the nuts on the river to a paired board or another diamond?)
3. Should MP go allin with the SB on the turn, which gives the MP about 10 FH outs and about 7-8 flush outs, none of which are the nuts? Even I knew by now that SB has the AT, but they could have included the A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif and another /images/graemlins/diamond.gif, killing MP's outs....
Did they both play this really badly?
What are the correct plays for both players?
Thanks for your thoughts,
Mark
MP (about $380, agressive player) raises to $8, three callers, then called by SB (with about $180) and BB. 5 players in for $40.
Flop is K /images/graemlins/spade.gifQ /images/graemlins/diamond.gifJ /images/graemlins/club.gif. All check. I am surprised. Come-on, someone has AT, someone else has trips. Ok.
Turn is 4 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB bets $40 (pot), fold to MP who raises to $80. All otherw fold, SB re-raises, and then MP reraises SB all-in.
River is K (no flush). MP wins with JJ /images/graemlins/diamond.gifT /images/graemlins/diamond.gif9 for a fullhouse. SB had AAT5r for flopped straight. (5 might be wrong, but a rag).
Ok, now that we know the cards, what are the correct plays?
1. Should SB bet the pot on the flopped nut str8, with 4 players to follow? And likely trips (and possibly two pair also) out there? (but no flush looming).
2. Should SB bet the turn, which misses making a possible FH, but makes a 4 flush? Or should SB wait for a safe river?
(Maybe call the pot bet on the turn and give up if losing the nuts on the river to a paired board or another diamond?)
3. Should MP go allin with the SB on the turn, which gives the MP about 10 FH outs and about 7-8 flush outs, none of which are the nuts? Even I knew by now that SB has the AT, but they could have included the A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif and another /images/graemlins/diamond.gif, killing MP's outs....
Did they both play this really badly?
What are the correct plays for both players?
Thanks for your thoughts,
Mark