Twilight Zone on Party 1/2

[drudman]

Submitted for your approval, in the cutoff, drudman holds AQo. The table is incredibly wild. UTG doubles the blind to 4, two clowns call. I decide to raise here to either scoop the bets right there or to isolate against one of the clowns who are most likely playing Ax or some kind of KJ, QJ, etc.

I raise 2x the pot to 20, which I think is enough to keep from being flat called by all three of them. To my alarm, all three call the 20 and go to the flop. I am quite sure that I have just about the best hand at the table. I have to figure UTG for a small pair maybe, but any of them would reraise all in with AK AA or KK for sure. I decide that if I hit a TPTK I'm going to tap.

UTG: $80
Clown: $400
Superclown: $60
Me: $80

Flop comes A35 rainbow, which I love. UTG thinks for awhile, checks. Superclown taps for 60, I have 80. Other clown folds, it's up to me now.

I decide that this joker has a weaker ace, and I call. UTG folds.

Turn J, river Q for my top two pair.

Superclown turns over 24c for the lowball wheel. Hands shaking, drudman leaves the table, wondering if he is dreaming, or just another casualty of... the Twilight Zone.

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[Eihli]

42 is an evil hand. Every time the board would help a 42 hand you can bet that someone is holding 42 and you should just fold.

[AeonBlues]

Yah, welcome to the wonderfull world of internet poker.

By the Way, I would never play A Q so quickly, I meen really, it's not like AQ o has such a big edge over 2 4 s hey? If you don't have a /images/graemlins/club.gif then your about 60% to the river. If you get called by 2 players, say other player has K J o, you are now only 40% to river. I try to play more patiently than that, and wait for QQ or better before I jack up the pot against the maniacs pre flop.

Last month I had QQ in LP, and UTG mainiac bets $10, and another maniac makes it $30, I go All in for $100, UTG folds, then the 2nd mainiac thinks for a long time, and then calls with 45s. And QQ won, go figure.

Aeon Blues

[drudman]

Right, well like I said my primary motive was to steal, as I had good reason to believe that the loose clowns would fold to a serious bet.

[Eihli]

Try raising next time you get 42c. The last two times I've gotten it I've made 2 pair. Although, one did get beat by a fluke straight, it is an unbelievably powerful hand.


////////////////////////CASE 1///////////////////////////
***** Hand History for Game 198959641 *****
0.50/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Thu Oct 09 22:00:46 EDT 2003
Table Race to the Finish (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: John_Smith ( $47.25)
Seat 3: OldPokerDog ( $18.25)
Seat 4: busterthedog ( $34)
Seat 5: SkelpJimmy ( $24)
Seat 6: Terryeh ( $33.50)
Seat 7: Eihli ( $31.75)
Seat 8: schneid316 ( $13.50)
Seat 9: rjfoltz ( $8.50)
Seat 10: bobbyjean ( $25)
schneid316 posts small blind (0.25)
rjfoltz posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Eihli [ 4c, 2c ]
bobbyjean calls (0.50)
OldPokerDog folds.
busterthedog folds.
SkelpJimmy folds.
Terryeh calls (0.50)
Eihli raises (1) to 1
schneid316 calls (0.75)
rjfoltz folds.
bobbyjean calls (0.50)
Terryeh calls (0.50)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2s, 7h, 4h ]
schneid316 checks.
bobbyjean checks.
Terryeh checks.
Eihli bets (0.50)
schneid316 calls (0.50)
bobbyjean calls (0.50)
Terryeh folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7c ]
schneid316 checks.
bobbyjean checks.
Eihli bets (1)
schneid316 folds.
bobbyjean folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $6.50 | Rake: $0.50
Board: [ 2s 7h 4h 7c ]
banht balance $25, sits out
John_Smith balance $47.25, sits out
OldPokerDog balance $18.25, didn't bet (folded)
busterthedog balance $34, didn't bet (folded)
SkelpJimmy balance $24, didn't bet (folded)
Terryeh balance $32.50, lost $1 (folded)
Eihli balance $35.75, bet $2.50, collected $6.50, net +$4
schneid316 balance $12, lost $1.50 (folded)
rjfoltz balance $8, lost $0.50 (folded)
bobbyjean balance $23.50, lost $1.50 (folded)




////////////////////CASE 2///////////////////////


***** Hand History for Game 198968801 *****
0.50/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Thu Oct 09 22:07:42 EDT 2003
Table Funky Monkey (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: Eihli ( $43.50)
Seat 3: jake__ ( $15)
Seat 4: stesula ( $21.75)
Seat 5: pcxldigger ( $22.25)
Seat 6: jgkj03 ( $26.50)
Seat 7: upacreek ( $34.75)
Seat 8: mableiter ( $15.75)
Seat 9: Bossox ( $7.25)
Seat 10: bumblebea ( $24)
stesula posts small blind (0.25)
pcxldigger posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Eihli [ 4c, 2c ]
jgkj03 folds.
upacreek folds.
mableiter calls (0.50)
Bossox folds.
bumblebea calls (0.50)
Eihli raises (1) to 1
jake__ folds.
stesula calls (0.75)
pcxldigger calls (0.50)
mableiter calls (0.50)
bumblebea calls (0.50)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2h, Ah, Ts ]
stesula checks.
pcxldigger checks.
mableiter checks.
bumblebea checks.
Eihli bets (0.50)
stesula folds.
pcxldigger folds.
mableiter calls (0.50)
bumblebea calls (0.50)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kc ]
mableiter checks.
bumblebea bets (1)
Eihli raises (2) to 2
mableiter folds.
bumblebea raises (2) to 3
Eihli calls (1)
** Dealing River ** : [ 4d ]
bumblebea bets (1)
Eihli calls (1)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $14 | Rake: $0.50
Board: [ 2h Ah Ts Kc 4d ]
Eihli balance $38, lost $5.50 [ 4c 2c ] [ two pairs, fours and twos -- Ah,4c,4d,2c,2h ]
jake__ balance $15, didn't bet (folded)
stesula balance $20.75, lost $1 (folded)
pcxldigger balance $21.25, lost $1 (folded)
jgkj03 balance $26.50, didn't bet (folded)
upacreek balance $34.75, didn't bet (folded)
mableiter balance $14.25, lost $1.50 (folded)
Bossox balance $7.25, didn't bet (folded)
bumblebea balance $32.50, bet $5.50, collected $14, net +$8.50 [ Qh Jd ] [ a straight, ten to ace -- Ah,Kc,Qh,Jd,Ts ]

[Robk]

Why not just push in before the flop?

[daryn]

pushing all in preflop is a bad idea here.. the only hands that would call him would be favorites over him.. well.. i've seen some silly stuff on party like calling huge all ins preflop with T9s, .. but that's not typical.

if you're in a NL100 game on party and you push in preflop with AQo, you're only gonna be called by pocket pairs and AK.

[Jon Matthews]

these are limit hands though

it's possible to bet the "straight" guy off the hand in no limit (on some sites and definitely not this hand if it was party) - i.e. 24s is more powerful in no limit


i've been winning with a lot of low cards recently, i'm playing about as many as normal but they're hitting more than my high cards... i'm getting the feeling that my table image is actually changing... well, for the moment anyway - hopefully i can take advantage of it

[Jon Matthews]

I think your main mistake could have been to think that you could take the blinds on a party table, whilst it's not unheard of, you can't depend on 3 people with 2 blinds in on folding. If they had just limped then you might have been able to isolate one of them.

A while back on a party 25NL table it was folded to me in the BB!! I didn't know what to do with myself after that hand. Full table too, although I think it broke up not too long after - not wild enough I suppose!


Jon

[daryn]

</font><blockquote><font class="small">In risposta di:</font><hr />
these are limit hands though

[/ QUOTE ]

what exactly are you talking about here? we were talking aobut no limit, correct?

</font><blockquote><font class="small">In risposta di:</font><hr />
it's possible to bet the "straight" guy off the hand in no limit (on some sites and definitely not this hand if it was party) - i.e. 24s is more powerful in no limit

[/ QUOTE ]

isn't this what he tried to do? by RAISING TO $20??? regardless of whether his raise was right or wrong, i believe everyone would agree calling that $20 with 24s was... horribly stupid.


</font><blockquote><font class="small">In risposta di:</font><hr />
i've been winning with a lot of low cards recently, i'm playing about as many as normal but they're hitting more than my high cards... i'm getting the feeling that my table image is actually changing... well, for the moment anyway - hopefully i can take advantage of it

[/ QUOTE ]

i don't even know what to say about this.

[Eihli]

he's not referring to the original poster

[squiffy]

Either they are maniacs, or colluding over the phone, which might make wild calls like that more worth it, if one guy is going high and one guy has a suited one-gapper and will hit a low flop.