Bullets in PLO--all in reraise from 2+2er

[scrub]

Ok, so taking crocksucker's advice, I decided to try the PLO games on Party. I'm not a very experienced PLO player, but I have shown a historical profit playing the 50 buying game at UB.

The following hand came up this morning on the $25 party PLO, and I realized that I had no idea what to do:

I'm in the small blind and pick up A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif A /images/graemlins/club.gif Q /images/graemlins/spade.gif J /images/graemlins/club.gif

MP raises to $1, one caller to me. I raise to $4.50. Then a 2+2er who writes good posts repots out of the blind to 15.50.

Folded around to me, I grit my teeth and push.

We ended up splitting on unimproved aces, but it made me wonder how often I would be looking at "better" sidecards, and how much of an effect that should have on the call/push/fold decision.

Thoughts?

Thanks!

scrub

[Acesover8s]

I don't know who this 2+2er was that you were playing with, but I find that most of them are weak-tight fish or big bluffers, no one to fear at any rate.

As to the play of the hand, you should not be gritting your teeth here, its an easy call. Anytime you can get all in with AA preflop you've done fine. Some particularly fishy 2+2ers might have made this reraise with KKQQ or even 2233.

Even if the other player had a stronger hand such as AAKKds, AAQQds, AAKQds, or AATJds, he is still such a tiny favorite over you that with the money you've already committed you have to call.

[scrub]

Yeah, this guy really did stink, come to think of it... /images/graemlins/wink.gif

I just couldn't get any traction at that table--couldn't seem to stay ahead when I got my my money in. Kept calling or pushing for small amounts relative to the pot when a scare card came off after getting most of my stack in on a previous street. Is this just a terrible play in Omaha?

Thanks!

scrub

[crockpot]

even if your opponent has 'better' sidecards here, you are too committed to the pot to fold, regardless of your sidecards. even the best AAxx hands are only about 60-40 against the worst.

and yours is far from the worst. you can make plenty of possible straights and have a nut club draw. i would definitely expect to be the favorite in a preflop all-in, even if my opponent told me he had aces too.

by the way, i don't entirely like this raise. you're out of position, and anyone who puts in another raise is going to have aces (unless you're playing with total idiots), so you don't gain much by trying to get it all-in preflop. i think i'd take a flop and see how it went from there.

by the way, i believe the PLO games on ub (except the 2/4 game when it's running) are usually about as easy to beat as the party games, and you can keep twice as much money on the table relative to the blinds. so don't be shy about playing there too.

my website has a section on PLO that i believe to be very good (since it's my best game along with PLO8), if you haven't already looked. just in case there are a few things you still need to go over.

[The Gift Of Gab]

This is an automatic reraise; your sidecards are pretty good.

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>
Omaha Hi: 500000 sampled boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ac Qc Jd 94079 18.82 162916 32.58 243005 48.60 0.431
Ad Kd Ah Kh 162916 32.58 94079 18.82 243005 48.60 0.569
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<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>
Omaha Hi: 500000 sampled boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ac Qc Jd 123639 24.73 122966 24.59 253395 50.68 0.501
7s Ad 7d Ah 122966 24.59 123639 24.73 253395 50.68 0.499
</pre><hr />

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>
Omaha Hi: 500000 sampled boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ac Qc Jd 133999 26.80 93214 18.64 272787 54.56 0.541
3s Ad 8d Ah 93214 18.64 133999 26.80 272787 54.56 0.459
</pre><hr />

He should reraise you with aces of any flavor since it looks like he can get most of his stack in, so you'll usually be in fine shape.

[Guy McSucker]

I don't know who this 2+2er was that you were playing with, but I find that most of them are weak-tight fish...

Ah, that would be me...

...or big bluffers

and that would be Acesover8s.

AAQJ is a great hand. These are good sidecards. Shove it in.

Guy.

[crockpot]

if i knew someone who was really weak-tight, the first thing i would tell them to do is sit at a UB or party $25 PLO table. the average weak-tight player is insanely close to the correct strategy against these opponents.

in fact, when i find myself in a game like this, i will play a weak-tight strategy except against certain opponents whose play merits that i vary my strategies.

[Acesover8s]

[ QUOTE ]
I don't know who this 2+2er was that you were playing with, but I find that most of them are weak-tight fish...

Ah, that would be me...

...or big bluffers

and that would be Acesover8s.


[/ QUOTE ]


Guy, weak-tight? If I thought it so, I would no longer let you carry my namesake into battle.

My problem is that I don't think I'm a bluffer, I keep pushing what I THINK is the best hand and find out I'm wrong.

[Graham]

Love it and shove the money in. AAQJ's a monster; there aren't too many better hands around.