Affiliate research questions

[Fraubump]

Now that I've actually gone to the partypoker website and looked at the affiliate program, I don't see much of a reason to be giving my business to anyone else. Why wouldn't I just have my husband, for example, sign up for the affiliate program and just do it through him? I see nothing in the agreement that bans this. Anyone know whether you can do this? And if not my husband, my brother, etc.

On a related note, can you be your own affiliate?: i.e., sign up through your own program. I've written Party to ask about this specifically.

[Inthacup]

Frau,

You can not sign up under your own program. Party takes a pretty hard line against it. In fact, if they find that you did sign up under your own account, they would close both your affiliate and real money accounts. You're entering dangerous waters with having a family member sign you up under their account.

You should make absolutely sure that you can not get in trouble for this before doing it. From what I've heard, Party does not handle this issue lightly.

Cup

[Bubmack]

I believe it is considered "Fraud Traffic" under the agreement.

Bubs

[Fraubump]

I understand the appearance of impropriety here, but don't see anything wrong with it or at least anything different about arranging something with a known, trusted friend/family member rather than a stranger who is going to give me a kickback. In any case I have written to party explaining that I play a lot and want the rebate for myself rather than giving it to someone else and will sign up and play a lot if the give it to me. We'll see whether they are willing to negotiate. I'll report back when they reply.

[lorinda]

I'll report back when they reply

I totally agree with your sentiments Frau, seems like it is okay for dishonest people to try to get money out of honest customers,(and before the flames start, I understand that many affiliates are honest AND fair, I really believe that over half are not both of these things though) but not okay for honest customers to get the money themselves, I would love to see how this one turns out.

Thanks

Lori

[jasonHoldEm]

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I would love to see how this one turns out.

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Here's a clue...

------This is an automated response to your message------

Dear Player,

This is to confirm that we have received your mail.

We will reply to you as soon as possible. In the meantime, please feel free to browse our Frequently Asked Questions, located at http://www.partypoker.com/help/faq.html

Sincerely Yours,

The Customer Care Department


I wrote to the affiliate department on a related question several days ago and am still awaiting a response.

*sigh*
jHE

[Fraubump]

Heh. I do kind of expect that. If they never get back to me, I'll just figure something out. I would like to do this straightforwardly and I see no reason why they shouldn't be willing to offer players this same rake rebate since they get the same amount whether it goes to me or some other affiliate. But if they don't want to offer it to me, I have no qualms about setting up a friend as my go-through.

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I would love to see how this one turns out.

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Here's a clue...

------This is an automated response to your message------

Dear Player,

This is to confirm that we have received your mail.

We will reply to you as soon as possible. In the meantime, please feel free to browse our Frequently Asked Questions, located at http://www.partypoker.com/help/faq.html

Sincerely Yours,

The Customer Care Department


I wrote to the affiliate department on a related question several days ago and am still awaiting a response.

*sigh*
jHE

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[crockpot]

in theory there is no problem with this, but you have to remember that party realizes you will sign up with them either way, so they are unlikely to actually give you this offer.

if you do get it, i would be interested to know, as then we're only one step away from getting existing players onto a personal 20% plan even if they didn't sign up through an affiliate. now that would be nice.

[demoter]

as then we're only one step away from getting existing players onto a personal 20% plan even if they didn't sign up through an affiliate. now that would be nice.

that would be nice. i would LOVE to have a cut of my rake back. but you and I both know this won't ever happen. if it became common practice to give 20% of the rake back to players, affiliates would have less players under their affiliate plan. if affiliates do worse, they will be less inclined to advertise(lack of funds). if affiliates advertise less, party will see a decrease in marketing and advertising. why would Party want to want to take a hit in the influx of new players and pretty much take a 20% loss in revenue across the board? they won't. And I won't ever get 20% of my rake back. Plain and simple. i'm not defending the affiliate system. but from party's standpoint, i understand why party won't make it standard practice to give new and existing players 20% of their rake back. from party's perspective, the affiliate system has been very profitable. i don't see them changing this in the near future. lorinda and i have butted heads on the affiliate issue already. and i think she called me stupid. she's entitled to her opinion, but i think i'm right on this one


EDIT: YOU have been demoted!

[crockpot]

come on, give me the line. i think that any post that merits using the demoter screen name should merit concluding it with the line too.

great analysis though. and even if party eliminated their affiliate system, i strongly doubt we would ever see them decreasing the rake on their servers as a result.

[squiffy]

The purpose of the affiliate program, I imagine, is to make Party more money. So I would think they want one stranger to recruit others, who would not otherwise play there. Clearly your proposal defeats this purpose.

However, you raise an important point. There should be some kind of personal rebate to the player based on hands played or rake paid, to encourage more play. This would make perfect sense and might reward you appropriately for more play and for a high level of play.

Having said that, as a practical matter, Party is so overworked, I can't imagine that they would ever track you down and arrest you!!!

[squiffy]

You know. I just read my own post and now realize that I disagree with myself. By my own reasoning. If your husband, son, nephew, niece, grandfather, etc. really don't play at Party, and you encourage them to sign up. Why shouldn't you be able to have them as affiliates!!!

I guess the only problem is that it may really be you, playing under 10 different dummy accounts, rather than 10 real people. And the fact they are your relatives increases the chance that you may be committing some form of fraud.

Maybe the rule should be no one in your immediate family father, brother, child can be an affiliate. But slightly distant relatives can.

Why shouldn't I be able to sign up my cousin?

[Adde]

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Why wouldn't I just have my husband, for example, sign up for the affiliate program and just do it through him?
[...] On a related note, can you be your own affiliate?: i.e., sign up through your own program.

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If it sounds like fraud, if it looks like fraud, well, whaddya you think?


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If it sounds like fraud, if it looks like fraud, well, whaddya you think?

[lorinda]

adde.... please forward me that scam mail, i love those things

Lori

[Adde]

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adde.... please forward me that scam mail, i love those things

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Do I know how to please women? Yes I do! /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Check your mailbox soon, Lorinda.

[crockpot]

does anyone know how one gets on those kinds of mailing lists? none of my friends ever get those emails, but i find them all the time. so weird...

[Homer]

I see nothing in the agreement that bans this. Anyone know whether you can do this?

If there's nothing in the agreement against this, then you should be alright.

And if not my husband, my brother, etc.

Right. I think the only issue with you doing it through your husband would be that you are in the same household. I'm not sure if you can't sign up just under your own affiliate tracker, or under the tracker of anyone in your household. I'm just about 100% sure that signing up through your brother, provided he has a different address than you, would be alright.

On a related note, can you be your own affiliate?: i.e., sign up through your own program.

I'm fairly certain this is mentioned as a no-no in the affiliate agreement.

-- Homer

[lorinda]

does anyone know how one gets on those kinds of mailing lists? none of my friends ever get those emails, but i find them all the time. so weird...


I believe you have to put your website details in your signature.....

Thanks Adde by the way, mail recieved.

Lori

[Adde]

does anyone know how one gets on those kinds of mailing lists?

Often you don't even have to be listed on the net. Many spammers use the trick to find a list of domains and then send spam to ANY_COMMON_NAME@domain. Related is a common misunderstanding, among those not too computer savy, that people who get much porn spam, for instance, have to be porn surfers themselves, which by no means have to be the case.

[Cyndie]

and that is the thing that sites have ignored. They claim they are spending money on retention of customers, but a $$$sharing based on the amount and time that players play is a direct reward that allows players to choose whether thye want to play as much and when it is convenient for themselves, or when the sites are willing to pay a bonus. but most recreational players think a three dollar drop is no problem at all! They don't even think about the fact that they are doing acquisition and retention at the same time with a rebate based on preferential treatment for players who help the site, either by play, or attitude, or referrals....that is one that i have never seen...a Nice Player award!

P.S. do you really like the freeroll tourneys, and toys that they sell in the site shopping malls? or do you prefer cold hard cash.

[lorinda]

P.S. do you really like the freeroll tourneys, and toys that they sell in the site shopping malls? or do you prefer cold hard cash.


It depends!

Obviously I would prefer $50 to a $50 toy, but assuming they bulk buy and the options would be different, I would probably prefer a $50 toy/book than $10

Lori

[crockpot]

try checking out www.rakefree.com (http://www.rakefree.com) when it launches. i will be very interested in seeing how quickly that site goes under, unless they have an ad:content ratio similar to pokeradvantage's, or if dutch boyd determines that he actually has enough money already and doesn't need more. still, the lack of deposit bonuses will probably detract the fish.

[Cyndie]

i agree...have you checked out the discount store prices on the out of date items that usually offered?

Most of the prizes are overpriced and I have no idea who pays shipping and handling, lol. However, I wouldn't mind a store that had quality merchandise at good prices at all...has anyone got any favorites from any of the company stores?

[Foldarama_City]

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So who's coming to Vegas with me?!

[lorinda]

After this date all unclaimed funds would be included in the next
stake.


Please, please tell them you want to let it ride, and see what they do to try to convince you otherwise.

Lori

[jasonHoldEm]

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Due to mix up of some numbers and names, we ask that you keep your
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Dude,

You're [censored].

jHE

[Terry]

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On a related note, can you be your own affiliate?

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I think it's a great idea. Didn't go over too big in this thread. (http://tinyurl.com/ouk7)

[JayCo]

My wife & I had some fun forwarding some of these on to my sister. She's a bit gullible (e.g., she thought there was a bridge to Hawaii until she was 15), so we had a little competition to see how many we could get her to believe might be true.

Anyway... here's one of the motherlode sites we found for source material. Bad graphics & UI, but some fun stuff including the skinny on the Nigerian cash advance scam.

scambusters.org (http://www.scambusters.org/Scambusters22.html)

The scary thing is these things wouldn't perpetuate if some significant chunk of the population didn't believe them.

(My fav- this guy my sister's cousin knows went to a bachelor party in New York and woke up with a bad hangover and a big scar, and went to the doctor only to discover that he had been drugged and his kidney harvested! Actuallly, I kind of, well, believed that one.)

[dogsballs]

re Nigerian scam emails and the like: There's a great site somewhere where some guy collects these, replies to them and strings the scammers along with bullshit and posts teh correspondence on his site (wish I could remember it - got posted on 2+2 at some point).

Best bit: he eventually convinced one group to send him a very small sample of gold dust or diamond or something...scammed the scammers, so to speak.

[Brian]

So you're going to have to explain this to me like a little baby. I started playing online poker about 2 months ago, and started with Party Poker. I had NO idea about any of this affiliate/bonus stuff, so I just searched the net and got the bonus code "GOLD" and got a free 25 bucks for signing up.

Now 2 months later I am learning about this whole "get 20% of your rake back stuff." Did I miss the boat on this one? Do I have to do it when I first sign up? If so... frown I've played over 50,000 hands with Party so far, and that 25 bucks isn't looking so hot anymore.

-Brian