Eugeneel is misinformed, or even worse

[PokerKing]

This is the email Eugeenel sent to someone asking about his program. Interspersed are my comments. I don't know if this guy is a liar/cheat or just misinformed/idiot. Either way I wouldn't do business with him. My friend wanted to give him a chance to respond before going public, but he hasn't responded in over 48 hours, so here it is:
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I have a connection that tell me how much who earn at the end of the month. I also have the ability to track players seperatly by having the sign up through unique tracking codes.


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I'll take your word for it about the connection, who is it? How did you arrange that? Only Party has codes, none of the others do.


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My offer is that if you sign up through any of the poker room that I advertise for through me, I will give you half of what I make from your rakes. If you play 20 hours a week your share will be something like 3-400 a month, so the rakes really add up.


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60 hands/hr, 2$ rake each pot, each person contributes 20 cents, 1/4 of that is 5 cents a pot, that's 3$ an hour, so my share is $1.50 * 80 hrs/month = 120$. 3-400?????? Even if we compute using 30% rake share and 80 hands/hr with a 3$ rake (SUPER OPTIMUM CONDITIONS) it is only 288! Where are you getting your figures?

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I keep track of how much you make me each month and will show it to you in a statement. I can pay you by personal check over the mail or netteller.

How we make our money is like this. Suppose you are playing 3-6 and you win a 40 dollar pot. You only get to keep 38 of it as the rake is 2 dollars. I get anywhere from 20-30% of the rake because you signed up through my advertisement. So 40-60 cents will be split between us every time you win a pot with a rake of 2 dollars.


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This is not how sites calculate the rake contributions. Everyone is considered to be a 1/10 contributor whether they win the hand or not.

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The money is from the rake is immediately transferred to my affiliate account


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Not true either, they pay out once a month, it is not immediate.

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Here is my share of the rakes from different sites.
Pokerroom 30%
Partypoker 20%
Empirepoker 20% (it is exactly like partypoker but with less people play
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Wrong again, it has the exact same # of people on it.
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Truepoker 20%
Pacificpoker 25%

You can sign up for these pokerrooms through my website:
www.onlinepokerinfo.com (http://www.onlinepokerinfo.com) All you do is click on the banner in the reviews section, sign up, and I am automatically credited for referring you.

Even though partypoker only offers 20% of the rake back to us. I would still strongly recommend it because the games there are very easy right now. There are some connection problems but it should be fixed soon.

If you have any friends who want do this same deal through me as well, let me know. I will cut you some of my share.

Let me know if you are interested and send me your account name and the poker room that you signed up or are planning to sign up for. You will not miss any of the depositing bonuses by signing up through me, don't worry.


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The bonuses will be subtracted from your earnings though. Therefore they are subtracted from your players, therefore your players won't be getting a bonus? Or do you pay for it yourself?

[eugeneel]

Well I will respond to everything you saw was wrong. But the conclusion remains the same. People are gettin extra money at the end of every month for playing that they would otherwise never have recieved, and are not sacrificing anything for it. (except for 10# of the deposit bonus.)

"I'll take your word for it about the connection, who is it? How did you arrange that? Only Party has codes, none of the others do."
I don't want to disclose this, but I chose to advertize only the sites where I have a way of tracking the players.


"60 hands/hr, 2$ rake each pot, each person contributes 20 cents, 1/4 of that is 5 cents a pot, that's 3$ an hour, so my share is $1.50 * 80 hrs/month = 120$. 3-400?????? Even if we compute using 30% rake share and 80 hands/hr with a 3$ rake (SUPER OPTIMUM CONDITIONS) it is only 288! Where are you getting your figures?"
You are somewhat right on this one. I have only really played pokerroom when I did the math I had this perticualr website in mind as it lets you see hands/hr. The 5-10 games on pokerroom is raked 2 dollard and the avg hands/hr for a 5 person game is about 120.
Once again, I will change these #'s to reflect the partypoker players more. But then again I do assume that every player can estimate his own rake based on where he plays and what types of games he plays.

"This is not how sites calculate the rake contributions. Everyone is considered to be a 1/10 contributor whether they win the hand or not."
This is how it is calculated on party. On Pokerroom it is done the way I mentioned. Pokerroom's way is easier to explain so I put it up.

"Not true either, they pay out once a month, it is not immediate."
Not true, the rake is first transfered to a temporary affiliate account I have no acess to and then at the every day it goes into my account. I might reword this in my email though.

"Wrong again, it has the exact same # of people on it."
huh? I could be wrong as I never played on empire but do they share player?

"The bonuses will be subtracted from your earnings though. Therefore they are subtracted from your players, therefore your players won't be getting a bonus? Or do you pay for it yourself?"
Afilliates get paid a % of the income. That means if party gives a player 100 dollars their income goes down by 80 and mine goes down by 20 (if it's 20% party) as we split it half way I would lose 10 dollars and the player would lose 10.
I thought it wasn't worth confusing the player further over some ten dollars so I decided to leave this out and tell this to him later.


Hope you are somewhat happy with my reply. I didn't respond to your friend because he sounded like miseryshiver when he asked soo many specific questions. It just sounded like he wasn't interested at that point and that he wanted to use what I wrote against me. If you have a friend that does the affiliate thing I would go with your friend. But Many people are getting paid by every month so don't look at me like I'm the bad guy.

[PokerKing]

I don't think you were a bad guy, just misinformed. If you had simply responded to him I wouldn't have even posted this. But it looked bad when you didn't.

[eugeneel]

good that we understand each other. The stuff here that had to do with miseryshiver trying to ruin my reputation and get me banned just put me on the edge a bit. Decided to be careful with your friend as I thought his motives might have been similar by the questiones he asked me.

Like why would you even approach me if your friend is an affiliate?

[jek187]

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"Wrong again, it has the exact same # of people on it."
huh? I could be wrong as I never played on empire but do they share player?

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Ok, Eugeneel. For someone who has a site named oninepokerreivew, you really should at least have played on the sites you're talking about. It's stupid [censored] like this that puts a bad light on affiliates.

[eugeneel]

I just heard its exactly the same as party so I thought I didn't need to play on it. I have played on all the other ones though. BIG DEAL, everyone attacking me lately over stupid stuff. (that's not the name of my site btw)

[jek187]

My mistake about your website. I took Poker King to know what he was talking about. My bad obviously. However, with a site like onlinepokerinfo.com I would expect the owner to know wtf he's talking about. It's this sort of thing why you have little to no credibility here.

Also, even if you'd just read the threads here, you'd know exactly what Empire is like compared to Party.

I really don't want to be lumped in w/all the other stuff w/people attacking you. I just find this on par with running a site like www.pokerstrategy.com (http://www.pokerstrategy.com) and not knowing the difference between pot and implied odds. That sort of thing would give internet poker strategy sites everywhere a bad name. Same goes for online poker info/review sites. You need to know your shi.t

[Cyndie]

Why does www.pokerstrategy.com (http://www.pokerstrategy.com) link to the Casino side of Golden Palace, and not to the Poker area?

Are you implying that eugeneel runs pokerstrategy website?

[jek187]

lol, sorry. I was just typing that URL for an example. People who run poker strategy sites should know about poker strategy. People who run online poker info sites, should know about online poker. Not doing so, makes everyone look bad.

[lorinda]

Although I once posted it as a joke, my site will become the first affilite site review site in the next month or so.

I will be keeping and updating the other non-poker content pages too, but a large section is going to be devoted to deciding if an affiliate is trying to actually earn their money, or if they are just taking the pee eye double ess.

I have no further comment to add at this time except that I will be fair, but very harsh, as I dislike affiliates intensely.

Lori