Zag
09-16-2003, 10:51 AM
I've been going on a kick lately trying different games, and I decided to try the PL Omaha High/low game on Party. What a rush! People who will draw at 4 or 6 outs to win half the pot. Very little use of the "Fold" button. Great fun.
Anyway, here's a hand I'd be glad for some comments on, though I'm pretty happy with how it ended up. My primaty question is whether I should have raised the flop.
I'm in the cutoff and I have the table covered. UTG, button, and BB are decent players and the rest are weak. I pick up Ah Qh Kc 5c and there are 3 limpers to me, including UTG. I consider a raise to buy the button, but button seems to fold more than half of his hands anyway. I figure I have scoop potential only for a high-only board so I just limp along.
Button folds (nice!) and blinds call and check.
Flop is Kh Th Qc . Excellent! No low possible. 9 hearts, 3 jacks, and 2 kings give me the nuts. 2 queens give me the near nuts. UTG bets $2 and there are 3 callers. UTG has $30 left and the two others have $20. I am not sure whether to put UTG on the straight (such a small bet) or maybe just testing the waters with a set.
Question: Do you raise here?
I just called, and the blinds both called behind me. (They have $18 and $30.)
Flop adds the 3c, so board is Kh Th Qc 3c . Still 14 outs to the nuts, but lets add seven more clubs to my list of second-nut outs.
UTG bets $6. (He must have the straight, so eliminate an out.) Next player raises all in. (Also, the straight, maybe club flush draw?) Even though I have nothing so far, I figure that I have odds to call even if the clubs are no good for me. I went ahead and pushed it all in, so we can get to the showdown. (If I had just called and UTG called, he'd still have $7 or so.) Anyway, blinds folded and UTG called.
River was the beautiful 2h! !!DING!! I pull in $120 pot, for a profit of $81.
It turns out I was way ahead on both the flop and turn, even though I didn't yet "have" anything but 2 pair. A club on the river would have won for me, as well. However, I have redone the analysis assuming that someone else had the nut draw in clubs, and I'm not in such good shape.
Flop: http://www.twodimes.net/poker/?g=o8&b=Kh+Th+Qc&d=&h=Jh+4h+9h+As%0D%0AQs+3d+Ad+Js %0D%0A3h+7h+Ks+3s%0D%0AQh+Kc+5c+Ah
Turn: http://www.twodimes.net/poker/?g=o8&b=Kh+Th+Qc+3c&d=&h=Jh+4h+9h+As%0D%0AQs+3d+Ad +Js%0D%0A3h+7h+Ks+3s%0D%0AQh+Kc+5c+Ah
Hmmm. By changing just one of these hands (to give the weakest hand the nut flush draw in clubs), I become the dog on the turn, though I am still the big winner on the flop with those hands. It makes me think that maybe I should have raised the flop.
http://www.twodimes.net/poker/?g=o8&b=Kh+Th+Qc+3c&d=&h=Jh+4h+9h+As%0D%0AQs+3d+Ad +Js%0D%0AAc+7h+Ks+tc%0D%0AQh+Kc+5c+Ah
Question: Would anyone have folded at any point on this hand? I think that this last analysis assumes the worst (including lots of hearts dead) and I still am not that much of a dog. But if this were really the case, I should have pushed it in on the flop.
All comments will be greatly appreciated.
Anyway, here's a hand I'd be glad for some comments on, though I'm pretty happy with how it ended up. My primaty question is whether I should have raised the flop.
I'm in the cutoff and I have the table covered. UTG, button, and BB are decent players and the rest are weak. I pick up Ah Qh Kc 5c and there are 3 limpers to me, including UTG. I consider a raise to buy the button, but button seems to fold more than half of his hands anyway. I figure I have scoop potential only for a high-only board so I just limp along.
Button folds (nice!) and blinds call and check.
Flop is Kh Th Qc . Excellent! No low possible. 9 hearts, 3 jacks, and 2 kings give me the nuts. 2 queens give me the near nuts. UTG bets $2 and there are 3 callers. UTG has $30 left and the two others have $20. I am not sure whether to put UTG on the straight (such a small bet) or maybe just testing the waters with a set.
Question: Do you raise here?
I just called, and the blinds both called behind me. (They have $18 and $30.)
Flop adds the 3c, so board is Kh Th Qc 3c . Still 14 outs to the nuts, but lets add seven more clubs to my list of second-nut outs.
UTG bets $6. (He must have the straight, so eliminate an out.) Next player raises all in. (Also, the straight, maybe club flush draw?) Even though I have nothing so far, I figure that I have odds to call even if the clubs are no good for me. I went ahead and pushed it all in, so we can get to the showdown. (If I had just called and UTG called, he'd still have $7 or so.) Anyway, blinds folded and UTG called.
River was the beautiful 2h! !!DING!! I pull in $120 pot, for a profit of $81.
It turns out I was way ahead on both the flop and turn, even though I didn't yet "have" anything but 2 pair. A club on the river would have won for me, as well. However, I have redone the analysis assuming that someone else had the nut draw in clubs, and I'm not in such good shape.
Flop: http://www.twodimes.net/poker/?g=o8&b=Kh+Th+Qc&d=&h=Jh+4h+9h+As%0D%0AQs+3d+Ad+Js %0D%0A3h+7h+Ks+3s%0D%0AQh+Kc+5c+Ah
Turn: http://www.twodimes.net/poker/?g=o8&b=Kh+Th+Qc+3c&d=&h=Jh+4h+9h+As%0D%0AQs+3d+Ad +Js%0D%0A3h+7h+Ks+3s%0D%0AQh+Kc+5c+Ah
Hmmm. By changing just one of these hands (to give the weakest hand the nut flush draw in clubs), I become the dog on the turn, though I am still the big winner on the flop with those hands. It makes me think that maybe I should have raised the flop.
http://www.twodimes.net/poker/?g=o8&b=Kh+Th+Qc+3c&d=&h=Jh+4h+9h+As%0D%0AQs+3d+Ad +Js%0D%0AAc+7h+Ks+tc%0D%0AQh+Kc+5c+Ah
Question: Would anyone have folded at any point on this hand? I think that this last analysis assumes the worst (including lots of hearts dead) and I still am not that much of a dog. But if this were really the case, I should have pushed it in on the flop.
All comments will be greatly appreciated.