7 CARD CHARLIE

[jdoe]

Hi all.

There has been a poker game in my family for about 20-30 years. I have never seen it played anywhere else.

7 card charlie

ALL ANTE 1 UNIT

Deal 3 down to each player
NO CHECKING - FOLDING OK
Dealer + 1 must bet 1 unit or fold (finish round of betting can only raise size of the bet)

deal 4th card (down)

Next live player must bet 2 units or fold. Finish round of betting - can only raise size of the bet)

deal 5th card (down)

Next live player must bet 3 units or fold. Finish round of betting - can only raise size of the bet)

deal 6th card (down)

Next live player must bet 4 units or fold. Finish round of betting - can only raise size of the bet)

deal 7th card (down)

Next live player must bet 5 units or fold. Finish round of betting - can only raise size of the bet)

showdown


Duz anyone know this game by another name?

thanks,
Jdoe

[Easy E]

How can you disgrace your family, violating a sacred trust, by revealing a family heirloom such as this for the rabble to corrupt?

Shame, SHAME!

[Wake up CALL]

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Hi all.

There has been a poker game in my family for about 20-30 years. I have never seen it played anywhere else.

thanks,
Jdoe

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From your description I can see how this game can last 20 or 30 years. What do you do if someone passes away before the game ends? Are they disqualified or does their nearest living relative not currently in the game get to finish the game? I would think the youngest person who started this game has the best chance to win if hands are declared dead if the players passes away during the hand. This would be my strategy recommendation: Live a long time!

[Phat Mack]

I like the game from the way you describe it, but have never seen anything like it. Have you everplayed it by rolling cards on later streets?

[Piiop]

If you'll notice, Wake Up Call, he states that only "live" players must bet or fold. Those who have perished can do whatever they want.

[Wake up CALL]

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If you'll notice, Wake Up Call, he states that only "live" players must bet or fold. Those who have perished can do whatever they want.

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Thank-you Pilop, I missed that in his post. In that case I definetly want to be the youngest player in the game. Longevitity is paramount! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Al Mirpuri]

In 1885, California made Stud-Horse Poker illegal. Stud-Horse Poker is more familiar to everyone as Five Card Stud. This situation lasted for over a century. However, people got around the ban by dealing Five Card Stud with all the cards face down. Hence, Blind Stud was born. All Stud variations were forbidden by Californian law so Seven Card Stud was adapted in this manner as well.

What you have described is Seven Card Blind Stud with a Bet or Drop first round and an escalating betting structure.

Apparently, a Sacremento casino offers Blind Seven Card High Low Split (with a modified dealing pattern).

Californian old-timers should be able to corroborate all this.

[Phat Mack]

Stud-Horse Poker is more familiar to everyone as Five Card Stud.

My understanding, I believe from Mike Caro, is that this is incorrect. If I remember correctly, during the litigation to legalize hold 'em, a search of newspapers from the 1880's revealed that stud horse poker is not related to any currently existing stud games. I believe it may have been a game where players played against the house.

[Al Mirpuri]

Allow me to present you with the following link: Where Will the Buck Stop on California Penal Code Section 330?: Solving the Stud-Horse Poker Conundrum (http://www.uchastings.edu/comment/PUB-ADMIN/Archives/volumes/volume11.htm)

[StevieG]

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Allow me to present you with the following link: Where Will the Buck Stop on California Penal Code Section 330?: Solving the Stud-Horse Poker Conundrum (http://www.uchastings.edu/comment/PUB-ADMIN/Archives/volumes/volume11.htm)

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I only saw the abstract there. Did I miss the link to the full article?

[Phat Mack]

Interesting. Here's another link.

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker/Blind_stud

It would be nice to have some definitive answer, but I haven't been able to find one so far. Would the court that legalized hold 'em discuss this in its opinion?

[Al Mirpuri]

In 'The Oxford History Of Card Games' by David Parlett, it cites a description of 'Stud-Horse Poker' in the American Hoyle of 1864. Parlett states that this was and is Five Card Stud.

David Parlett is an English enthusiast of games on the lines of Jacoby et al.

[Al Mirpuri]

You have to subscribe to the magazine from which the abstract is taken for the full link.

[Phat Mack]

Also worthy of note is that the people who claimed that stud horse poker was different than modern stud games were 'interested' parties; they had something to gain by so claiming.

[RiverMel]

Interesting analysis. However, I must disagree with it. The dog in the Busch's Baked Beans (that's Busch's, not Busch) actually never reveals the secret family recipe. He hints at the possibility of doing so, and often takes steps towards doing so, but never actually does. This is quite unlike the original poster, who actually has revealed the secret.

[RiverMel]

I was wrong too, it's Bush's.

[Easy E]

the dog is GOING to reveal the family secret as soon as he? gets a taker (with presumably enough doggie biscuits to keep Fido set for life).

I stand by my brilliant analogy

[RiverMel]

Let me ask you this:

Assuming the dog has every intention of revealing the recipe when he finds the proper buyer, would you still believe it is a proper analogy if:

(a) He dies before he is able to
(b) The Bush family finds out about his plan, and threatens to harm one of his loved ones if he reveals the plan, so he opts not to
(c) He is put in jail for another offense and is therefore unable to reveal the secret

I submit that a, b, c, or any other number of possible things may happen which will prevent him from revealing the Secret Family Recipe despite any current intentions he may have, and therefore, the analogy is not apt.

[Al Mirpuri]

Can a player look at his cards or are you playing it no peek?

[jdoe]

You can look. no cards exposed to other players

[jdoe]

all cards down

[Easy E]

about some hidden cabal who is working to keep the dog down, this is going to spin COMPLETELY out of control.

I reject your analysis by saying that those events are less than 50% likely, en masse, and therefore Sparky or Buck or whatever the dog's alias is (he has to be able to disappear with the "loot", so I'm sure that he didn't join the family using his REAL name) will soon be selling the secret, UNLESS the price isn't right (cost of living on Cat Island is pretty high, from what I hear)

By the way- does George Bush feel that Sparky is a member of a terrorist group? Did the cats tell him that? Or is Dubulya just including the baked bean secret in his overall "national assets protection plan"?

[Wake up CALL]

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Interesting. Here's another link.

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker/Blind_stud

It would be nice to have some definitive answer, but I haven't been able to find one so far. Would the court that legalized hold 'em discuss this in its opinion?

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Phat Mack, you do realize that Wikpedia definitions can be written by anyone old enough to type words on their keyboard right?

[Phat Mack]

Nah, I'm one of those people who thinks that if he sees it on the internet, it must be true...

[Al Mirpuri]

It is 'The Oxford Guide To Card Games' by David Parlett.

[Wake up CALL]

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Nah, I'm one of those people who thinks that if he sees it on the internet, it must be true...

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I wasn't trying to be condescending at all. Wikpedia has all the appearances of a true encyclopedia but is added to by anyone with the time to type. I was just being sure you were familiar with the evolution of this particular site. I apologize if I offended you.

[Al Mirpuri]

This post shows swhat a thoroughly decent chap Wake up CALL is.

I for one have quoted from Wikepedia without realising just how they get their information.

[Phat Mack]

I wasn't trying to be condescending at all.

I know. I was merely being light hearted and playing the fool.

[Phat Mack]

It is 'The Oxford Guide To Card Games' by David Parlett.

In the States, the paperback edition is called A History of Card Games. Just found a copy yesterday and am enjoying it immensely.

[Wake up CALL]

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This post shows swhat a thoroughly decent chap Wake up CALL is.

I for one have quoted from Wikepedia without realising just how they get their information.

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Thank-You very much for the compliment Al. The Wikpedia site has pretty good information but it is still Caveat Emptor.