Difference between Stud and Hold Em

[Drunk Bob]

As a hold em player who sometimes trys 7-stud for variety ,how do you deal with the fact that you cannot know if you have the nuts or even close too it.

For example someone can have a raggedy ass board but have a boat.

Thanks Robert

[7stud]

How do you HE players deal with the fact that your top pair, top kicker may be up against trips?

[Drunk Bob]

In HE with only two hidden cards it is easy to calculate the nuts so on the river you can raise and reraise with confidence if the board is in your favor.

As far as the trips vs TPTK you have to know your opponent and then GAMBLE. [/list] [/list]

[Drunk Bob]

I tried to edit my post but I haven't figured out how to do that.

Thanks 7 stud your post did make me think a great deal and I learned something from it.

[7stud]

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In HE with only two hidden cards it is easy to calculate the nuts so on the river you can raise and reraise with confidence if the board is in your favor.

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Well then, here is something else to think about: out of a hundred HE hands where you see the river, how many times do you have the nuts?

[crockpot]

if you are facing a typical poor player who is not too loose, i believe reading hands in stud is easier than in hold 'em. if your opponent pairs on board, you can see it and react accordingly. since his hand is likely to be built around his doorcard, you can work back and see if he is likely to have made a straight or flush. and finally, a player who has a full house on the river with a raggedy board had to have at least two pair or trips earlier, so he likely would have been pushing the betting.

of course, if someone is betting heavily when you have a likely flush or straight, even if he has a raggedy board showing, you should proceed with caution if he is not known to be an aggressive or tricky player.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

As a stud player, you need to forget all about the concept of the "nuts." The nuts almost NEVER comes into play as a major consideration in 7CS. What you need to worry about is the likely hand(s) your opponent holds. People who learn on hold'em get a bit of a lopsided feel for poker with the whole nuts concept, since it rarely comes into play in most other games (except O-8).

One of the most important concepts is the old "paired the door card" concept. If I raise with an ace up on third, then keep betting, and pair my ace on 5th street, you may want to seriously consider NOT playing all the way to the end for a str8 or flush. This is a typical consideration that comes into play often in stud, but has nothing at all to do with the nuts.

The nuts will ALWAYS be either four of a kind or a str8-flush, both of which will virtually never be present. It's a different game, so forget about the nuts.

al

[patrick dicaprio]

youre question is a tough one to deal with in a short post. one thing you do in stud is call more on the river, especially check calling with mediocre hands. because you cant know if you are good means that you almost never fold a decent hand on the river.

Pat

[patrick dicaprio]

you are right to forget about the nuts. but dont forget about the balls. (sorry that was a bad one but i couldnt resist).

Pat

[Andy B]

It's called gambling, son. Try it some time, you might like it.

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In my opinion, the essence of poker lies in those situations where you have a good hand and you know that the other guy has a good hand. You think that you're a little better, but you can't be sure, and it is this element of doubt that makes the game exciting. Locks are extremely rare in stud, which is part of why it's my favorite (casino) game. Locks are quite common in Omaha, which is why it's my least favorite game.

The biggest difference between stud and hold'em lies in the independence of hands in stud, which for example makes it correct to chase much more often. I don't think that the fact that you rarely hold the nuts in stud should have that big an impact on your strategy. It's not like you have the nuts (or are up against them) routinely in hold'em, either. You should frequently be betting and raising with non-nut hands in hold'em, right?

[Al_Capone_Junior]

[Drunk Bob]

Thanks everybody.

[Lazymeatball]

i would have thought one of the bigger differences would be the lack of the dominated hand principle. ie. If you are behind on third street in stud, it is much easier to catch up than if you are behind preflop in Hold'em.

[cero_z]

Hi Bob,
This is how you "know". It's easier than you think. You have to make a determination early in the hand about whether the player's got a one/two pair type hand, or a straight/flush draw type hand. This is usually not that hard on 4th street. As an analogy to holdem, think of how you play AJo, as opposed to 78s. Then, realize that a 2 pair type hand can not usually raise players that could reasonably be holding completed flushes/straights, unless the 2 pair has improved to a boat. So when that hand that looked like Kings up bets into a field of coordinated boards, your radar should go off to proceed with care. Of course, you need to consider how live the cards are that might fill up a given hand; that will factor heavily in your decision. Before you experts out there skewer me for this simplification, remember I'm trying to get someone started reading hands in Stud.