Wire to wire

[Vehn]

$15/$30. Tight passive open limps to my right. I raise in the cutoff with http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/vehn23/ks.jpghttp://img.ranchoweb.com/images/vehn23/js.jpg. SB calls. Solid BB 3-bets and we all call.

Flop:

http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/vehn23/qs.jpghttp://img.ranchoweb.com/images/vehn23/8d.jpghttp://img.ranchoweb.com/images/vehn23/6h.jpg

To my surprise its checked to me. I bet, the SB folds, BB calls, MP folds.

Turn:

http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/vehn23/qs.jpghttp://img.ranchoweb.com/images/vehn23/8d.jpghttp://img.ranchoweb.com/images/vehn23/6h.jpg http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/vehn23/4c.jpg

BB checks, I bet, and he calls.

River:

http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/vehn23/qs.jpghttp://img.ranchoweb.com/images/vehn23/8d.jpghttp://img.ranchoweb.com/images/vehn23/6h.jpghttp://img.ranchoweb.com/images/vehn23/4c.jpg http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/vehn23/9h.jpg

BB checks and I bet. Any good?

[Josh W]

after you bet the flop, and don't pick up a draw on the turn, the turn and river are very straightforward.

The only question is the flop bet. IF the 3-bettor isn't tricky, and doesn't overly love to checkraise, I like that too. But if he's tricky, I think you have enough of the flop to appreciate a freecard (and thus have a decent chance to pick up a legit draw).

Pretty normal.

Josh

[Diplomat]

WTF?

That was my reaction after reading the hand through. I am really confused about the BB check/calling the whole way. It looks quite a bit like AK to me, but even then, wierd. And what does he call the turn with? Maybe he has a pair of some kind...hrrm.

As for the river bet has to be a calculation of comparing the pot size and the likelyhood of the BB folding -- obviously there is not much hope of winning by showing down. If the pot odds are favourable, I like the bet.

Interesting hand.

-Diplomat

[Ed Miller]

I don't get it. A solid BB 3-bets you after you raise on a weaker hand, you flop nothing, turn nothing, and river nothing and keep betting? Doesn't make much sense to me... but eh...

[Vehn]

That pretty much sums it up, yeah.

[mike l.]

i didnt read the text in your post, i just looked at the cards. and then i saw you were still in on the river and i thought "how'd you get to the river! that's terrible, that's how i play when im pushing too hard!"

poorly played, whatever it was that happened.

[Josh W]

You oughta read the text...it's interesting...the flop, that is...the turn and river are elementary.

[mike l.]

looks like bb has JJ, TT, or AK and he's decided that hero bets too much with worse, but he could also have him beat so he will just check-call mode and payoff. not very strange.

i wouldve checked the flop for what it's worth because hero caught one perfect card (Qs), the bb likely has him in a bad spot, and there are other players in that couldve hit. you earn back part of that extra sb you lost preflop when you got 3 bet by solid when you check behind here with position and a flop that nicked you just a little.

[Vehn]

He folded pretty quick. I later confirmed with him that I had of course had AQ and he said A /images/graemlins/heart.gifK /images/graemlins/heart.gif

[inkstain]

Solid player...

Canterbury Park, you say?

[ML4L]

Hey vehn,

Before reading the actual results, I would say to check the river and that it isn't even close. He clearly has AK and will CLEARLY call. But, as this post illustrates, what does "clearly" mean? Prior to reading the actual results, I thought that clearly meant that he would not muck even one time in ten, thus not giving you the correct odds to bet. But, maybe "clearly" means he'll only call 70% or 80% of the time, meaning that it was a good river bet. I'm still not sure.

What I AM sure of is that his fold on the river was an unbelievably poor play...

ML4L

[PocketRocketsAA]

I think it was a good bet on the river. I think you opponet would fold. You were pressuring him into make the descison. So I think it was a good bet.

[Tyler Durden]

I think the flop bet is a poor one, as you're unlikely to win the pot right there b/c of the BB's preflop 3-bet. Plus, his flop check is suspicious.

I wouldn't put any money in post-flop.

[David Sklansky]

While all your bets were debatable, none were clearly wrong. Against certain types of players your strategy was almost automatic. The flop bet to get a free card. The turn bet once two out of three folded, and the 3 bettor looked like he had ace-king, and might fold on the river. And of course the river bet.