10/20 Morning shift hand

[slavic]

10/20 game Muckleshoot a little loose 9 handed.

I sit down to play for a couple hours while getting my car worked on. (got an odd look from the guy driving me from the shop when I asked him to drop me off at the Casino). Each player and the dealer looked like death warmed over, but free coffee and donuts and no smoking. Ahh what a site.


I'm 2nd to act 7 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif8 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

UTG folds, I limp, MP limps (confirming he has 2 cards), LP limps, Button limps, SB raises (He plays anything but he raises only good hands), BB calls, I call all call behind me.

Flop(12SB): 4 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif5 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif K /images/graemlins/spade.gif

SB bets, BB folds, I call not wanting drive out callers, everyone folds but the LP who calls.

Turn(7.5BB): J /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

SB bets, I call hoping LP will overcall, LP calls

River(10.5BB): 3 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

ouch

SB checks, I bet .......

OK the turn call seems bad to me given the river card and I'd sure know were I sit better if I raised the turn. My thought was I get 2 BB on the turn either way and I get two to 3 on the river on a raise when I may only get 1 raising the turn. Was I being too cute?

[Dynasty]

It's been a while since I've used my favorite response title.

Pre-flop: 87s is an easy fold UTG+1 when UTG folds. If UTG limps, then you consider playing the hand based on whether the table is ultra-passive.

Flop: This is as close to an auto-raise as it gets. I don't worry about whether my opponents call, fold, or 3-bet. I'm sure all those responses are +EV for me when I'm holding a gutshot straight flush draw.

Turn: A truly easy raise. If you were sure you were going to get 2 BB with either a call or raise, then you definitely prefer to get 2 BB with only one opponent left to outdraw you on the river.

River: Betting the 8d on the river is a close shave. I'm probably calling it a mistake simply so I can title the post "Misplayed on Every Street". The fact that the Kd is unaccounted for is very disturbing. Your lack of aggression so far in the hand could mean that only the Ad will raise you.

[slavic]

I thought the River bet was the only way for me to win it.

A will raise or K will call

Q may lay it down, 9 or T shouldn't call. So a bet was better than a check.

Though I do understand your want to get in the signature jab /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[elysium]

hi dynasty
just FP-F it, don't MOES it. yes, sometimes when a player makes a bad pre-flop call, you can get in there and get your nose bloodied navigating the dang thing. but you're not going to try to steam into safe water with this; this is a LTADT. he didn't moesy this fpfing thing, he harakiried it. don't perform the ritual in this spot.

[elysium]

[slavic]

[34TheTruth34]

Anyone have an elysium decoder ring?

No, it's funnier not knowing what he's talking about.

[slavic]

LP mucked saying his wasn't big enough

SB mucked his AK face up as he liked to do anytime he had a big hand and there wasn't a showdown.

I think LP was blowing hot air.

[Dynasty]

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I thought the River bet was the only way for me to win it.

A will raise or K will call

Q may lay it down, 9 or T shouldn't call. So a bet was better than a check.

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This is quite logical. After soft-playing the best hand on the flop and turn, it's almost as if you're bluffing the river.

[runningJACKS]

I can understand not raising the flop to induce callers but once your hand is made by the turn i see this as a MUST raise situation. The pot is large and it seems as though your goal is no longer to build but to take it down. also if the A and K of diamonds are out you want to charge the maximum to draw (along with protecting your hand).
a mere call on the turn is "weak" poker in my opinion.

this situation is, of course, much different if you hit your gut shot rather than your flush.

[cero_z]

slavic,
I don't like the limp pre-flop, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that the table was very passive, and that SB's raise was an unusual occurence. If any of this is not true, you made a bad call. I don't mind the flop call, unless there's a good chance some players will call 2 bets cold. I think you know you made a bad mistake smooth calling the turn; in the "a little loose" 10/20 games I know, people call 2 bets on the TURN with Qd, to say nothing of the river. I don't buy that a Q-high flush would muck for one bet, and I believe that a Td or 9d may call, "just to keep you honest." Don't you have some bad players in this game? If so, you can't bluff them off a flush.