low limit holdem strategy

[OffTilt]

Hello everyone, I'm new to this board and wanted to introduce myself. I'm a poker enthusiast and frequent online player. I want to tell you guys about a strategy me and two of my friends worked very very hard on. Please don't accuse me of spam, I'm not a hit and run marketer I intend to be a regular poster here. But ask yourself if you spent hours and hours on a site and strategy would you not want people to visit?

I'll be very upfront about my status as an affiliate, but I have created what I believe to be an excellent winning strategy for low limit holdem. It's available for free.

Check out my site: http://www.online-pokerguide.com

If you are already a winning holdem player congratulations! You don't need my help, but if you are not give us a look.

Thanks everyone, and I'm really sorry if I've stepped on any toes by promoting my site, but I am paying 50 bucks/month in webcosts and I want people to see it. I'm certainly not out for the quick buck, I honestly believe it has a lot to offer to players who aren't winning yet.

Anyway, thanks for listening, and I look forward to getting to know you all.

O-PG

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[prospector]

I checked out your site. It didn't take very long to discover my major problem. I haven't been thinking of HPFAP, TOP, etc. as novels. Once I've made that adjustment in my approach to the game, I'm sure I will win more money.

[Michael Davis]

"Please don't accuse me of spam, I'm not a hit and run marketer I intend to be a regular poster here."

How bad does the truth hurt?

[Grivan]

Well I was going to look over your strategy to see if it was sound, but since it was NOT free I was unable to do so. Almost everyone here is already going to have an account on Paradise Poker, and if they do not they most likely have a good reason for not. Do not advertise something as free if it is not. I doubt if there is going to be very much response about your guide as you are making people jump through hoops in order to look at it.

[OffTilt]

I am a poker enthusiast and intend to be a regular poster. If you don't believe me why don't you look at some other forums to gauge my level of participation. I also have a website and strategy system that I and some other people worked very hard on. Should I keep this secret? Even when I know it can benefit a lot of people?

I come here offering you nothing but the utmost respect, I suggest you give some in return.

[OffTilt]

Thanks for your feedback, however I already know our system to be "sound" so not having your approval really means little to me. The guide is available for free if you are eligible (pacific poker and other casinos are coming as well), or you can buy it for a low price like over 100 people already. 95% of which have left nothing but very positive feedback.

[Ulysses]

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I doubt if there is going to be very much response about your guide as you are making people jump through hoops in order to look at it.

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I think you might be wrong. It looks like some pretty good stuff. I found this in the "General Holdem Theory" on the site:

After the flop:
The player currently holding the best five card hand is most likely to win at showdown.
After the turn card is dealt:
The player currently holding the best five card hand is most likely to win at showdown.
After the river card is dealt:
The player currently holding the best five card hand has won at showdown.

Looks pretty solid to me.

[Grivan]

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Thanks for your feedback, however I already know our system to be "sound" so not having your approval really means little to me. The guide is available for free if you are eligible (pacific poker and other casinos are coming as well), or you can buy it for a low price like over 100 people already. 95% of which have left nothing but very positive feedback.

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I'm sorry I figured since you were posting this on a forum full of people who already beat these games you were looking for advice, not just trying to sell it. Again I am sorry that my assumption that you were posting it here for a reason other then self advertising was wrong.

[OffTilt]

No problem, I tried to post this earlier but it didn't go through: I concede the free statement was misleading, I didn't intend it to be so, I will qualify that statement in the future.

I also didn't realize this was a board of only people who have already beaten these games. I'm willing to bet there are at least some lurkers still looking for a winning formula.

I'm sorry to get off on the wrong foot with you guys, I honestly come here with nothing but respect until I have reason to feel otherwise.

[ChipWrecked]

Just a couple of questions:

1. I see your page is hosted by "pitt.edu". Is the university really charging you $50/month for hosting? I'd think you could get a better deal elsewhere.

2. After you've left Pitt, will you still be marketing the system? Or will somebody else be running 'pokersite' at pitt.edu?

3. Or are you just scamming school server space with a commercial site, and will leave your customers high and dry after you're booted?

[OffTilt]

1. In the 50$/month I included costs of domain name, email forwarding, spam guard, multiple email accounts, search engine submission, google adwords costs, and numerous other things. But that's about what everything costs, including the webspace deal i made. You're right I should be paying a lot less, but we didn't realize cheaper options were out there when we bought all that. I'm not much of a business man, just a poker player.

I will not be leaving pitt, i have never been to pitt (i went to bucknell), i have a contact there who i made an arrangement with. As long as the site isn't generating too much traffic it's not a problem.

I am not "scamming" anyone. I am not leaving anyone high and dry. If for some reason I had to move off the pitt server I would relocate elsewhere, and in the meantime my customers always have access to my personal email address. I'll give it to you if you'd like to continue this discussion about O-PG's well being and my personal integrity.

[OffTilt]

By the way we have switched servers and amazingly no customers have found themselves "high and dry".

OffTilt
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[crockpot]

man, this ranking of online sites is ridiculous. where is UB? oh wait, they had no affiliate program available to the public until recently. what a coincidence that it's the only major site missing.

i definitely find it funny to see your top four, which sandwich the two tightest and most secure sites with the two loosest and least secure ones. and you even put the words great customer support in boldface for pacific. at least i can get some laughter out of the site.

also, i would just like to point out that your visitors are not going to have money to deposit and give you affiliate bonuses anymore if you advise them to follow the strategies in Hellmuth's book. i do like you giving props for Carson's book for loose online games.

[crockpot]

let's be fair now, i run a site about online poker on my college server. i just don't say that i'm spending $50/month on it, nor do i readily urge people to give me money by signing up through my affiliate links. also, i don't bias my reviews based on how much the site is willing to pay me, and my affiliate profits will be donated to a new poker table for the card club, not to line my pockets.

but that's all. carry on.

[crockpot]

by the way, i'd like to see how Sklansky and Malmuth feel about the fact that you can condense hundreds of hours of studying their books into a quick scan of PH+.

oh, and while typing this, i noticed something else...you say you're releasing the guide to help promote online poker, not for your own profit, but elsewhere on the site, you say that by giving the guide away for free, you'll make the online games too tough.

bravo, you really cornered the market of people with no common sense.

sadly, i have an urge to go take advantage of that market myself right now. tell me what server your customers are sitting at so i know i'm facing a lineup i can beat.

[crockpot]

just two more things i had to toss on:

your banner should say 'premier', not 'premiere'. the mark of a true professional job on the design.

and your site is going to be the first on my links page that i will specifically instruct players to avoid.

[DesertEagle]

HAHAHA...

Although I won't go into as much detail as crocksucker did, I do feel that the people on this message board have no interest in your self-promotion.

I just made the jump up to Journeyman, and I've loved every minute of my time spent discussing the game with fellow 2+2'ers. I've had almost ten fellow 2+2'ers offer to kick-back the referral bonuses to me that they'd earn if I sign up through their links. That's the spirit of the players who frequent these pages; we like to help each other.

I personally am not interested in some guy trying to sell me some crappy guide that most of the posters on this site could have probably written themselves...

And then you go on to say that it's free, when it's not?? And you wonder why you got off on the wrong foot... lol...

Maybe you made an honest mistake, maybe you thought the players here would be interested, and I'm sorry for being so harsh if this is the case....

[OffTilt]

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by the way, i'd like to see how Sklansky and Malmuth feel about the fact that you can condense hundreds of hours of studying their books into a quick scan of PH+.

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I said hundreds of hours of playing experience, which is how long it takes many people to develop a good strategy. I didn't say hundreds of hours of study, learn to read. Who said it was all sklansky and malmuth anwyay?

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oh, and while typing this, i noticed something else...you say you're releasing the guide to help promote online poker, not for your own profit

[/ QUOTE ]

Where did I say that? Please tell me. I said we created the site to promote online poker, which helps us as affiliates, and we created the guide so people could be successful, leading to more rakes and more affiliate revenue. I was very upfront about this.


Why are you so bitter? If you are already a winning player I came out and told you PH+ was not for you. Did I not? Where did I make any misprepresentaions? Anybody could create that guide? Well they certainly don't need my help then do they? But apparently a lot of happy customers didn't feel like writing it themselves and have been very pleased with our assistance.

Anybody can make an affilate website, unfortunately most look like vomit on the computer screen (yours) but I never would have mentioned that, because I come here offering respect, not to rip on other peoples work.

You obviously didn't even read what I had to say closely as you keep jumping to the wrong conclusions. And if you took your head out of your ass long enough to read the other posts you'd see I'm no longer on a college server, and was never on MY college server. You will also find after you graduate college that web services aren't cheap.

Of course I only review sites that I have affiliate relationships with, and I've ranked them in the order of success my customers and myself have had with them. Pacific Poker pays 50% more in affiliate commissions, so why is Paradise ahead of it genius? I don't bother reviewing sites I don't like, that's why they don't go up on the page with negative reviews. What's the point of linking to shitty sites?

And we have had great customer support with Pacific and Casino On Net over the past few years. I've gotten emails back in under 10 minutes at 4am addressing problems.

Congratulations on your noble effort to expose me as a true [censored]. But the truth is, you are that [censored]. You come on here and trash someone else's hard work without cause. (The saddest part is your work pales in comparison.)

It's obvious a lot more effort went into O-PG than your own site, and it shows. Don't blame me for this.

I stand behind every goddamn word uttered on that website. I was upfront about my status as an affiliate. My strategy system has helped over 100 customers be successful low limit online players, yet I readily concede it's not for everyone. You assume I'm some type of crook and come here yelling and screaming not even having read O-PG closely, never even having seen ph+, and funniest of all, having a poker affiliate site yourself which is nothing to write home about.

Congratulations, in assuming the worst about me, you have shown me the worst of yourself.

OffTilt

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PS. Premiere and premier can be used interchangeably to describe "foremost", in general premier is used, but premiere is generally accepted as well. Thanks though, that's the closest you came to a fair critique of O-PG.

[DesertEagle]

I think you're completely misunderstanding why your post has generated such a terrible response.

I don't think the regular 2+2'ers are only knocking your product, I think many of the posters here (myself included) resent that you've used this post as a forum to sell your own product...

This philosophy of using the 2+2 boards for your own personal gain seems to be at odds with the spirit of the other 2+2'ers. We seem to be more interested in helping each other than using each other to make $$ for ourselves...

The fact that your post was misleading obviously didn't help your cause...

And once you realized what type of response your post was generating, instead of apologizing and saying you simply misunderstood what the nature and purpose of the 2+2 boards, you return to attack the regular 2+2 posters who spoke out against your self-promotion?? probably not the best move...

The regular 2+2 posters are more than happy to dispense their vast knowledge of the game of poker, and they do it here for free. If you really want to promote the game of poker, and you think you have valuable advice, why not just post your guide on this website? You'll avoid all the costs related to maintaining your own website, and this website is free to everyone!!

[OffTilt]

I already appologized for it being misleading.

I made one post:
-hello, nice to meet you
-i have a site
-it has little to offer to an already winning player

I've also made many posts since I found 2+2 spreading my thoughts for free.

13 people have purchased/gotten the free offer for PH+ after finding out about it 2+2, so apparently not everyone has obtained enough info here to be a winner already.

I offer a service, I take pride in it, I make some money by offering it. If you don't think it's a good deal, don't buy it.

If you can create a winning guide yourself, go ahead and post it online. Put me out of business. I won't try to stop you.

[DesertEagle]

Hey Tilt, why don't we just let this one go....

I'm sorry you got such a harsh reaction from everyone. The 2+2'ers are a great bunch of people, but they seem to react very strongly to certain behaviours...

You should have read the responses to this guy the other day who posted his story about an elderly gentleman at his table misreading the board and folding a hand on the river that would have qualified for the bad-beat jackpot. He included in his post that the players at the table berated him continually after that hand, and boy did the 2+2 regulars not like hearing that!!

I wish you luck with your low-limit strategy, and I encourage you to continue to post here on the 2+2 boards. I just recommend that you keep your posts in the "General" forum dedicated to the game of poker, and not to promoting products or services...

[OffTilt]

"Hey Tilt, why don't we just let this one go...."

I would love to, I actually thought it had gone long ago.

You seem like a good guy, can't say the same for that other guy. Whether you think I have evil intentions or not, I put a lot of time and effort into O-PG and that guy is criticizing me when his website looks like it was thrown together in 2 minutes.

Best of luck,
OffTilt

[ChipWrecked]

Here is the second email I received from the slimy marketing student who came to this forum with "nothing but respect" (censored by me):

No response? I guess it's not easy finding out what a loser you are.

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D!ck Rack,

Congratulations on your efforts to get O-PG thrown off Pitt's servers. I'm sure you took great joy in this. ("HAHAHA now he'll be forced to leave his customers high and dry!") What kind of a pathetic loser goes around alerting people about inappropriate web space use when they have absolutely no connection to it all? You are that pathetic loser apparently.

But it matters not, the sysadmin didn't give a sh#+ but since people (anonymous, nameless losers) were complaining, he gave me the option of opting out of our contract which we did having found cheaper webspace elsewhere. So in your efforts to be a raging a$$h*le, you did O-PG a big favor.

So best of luck in your future efforts to dick over people you don't know, and people who have never hurt you or anyone else in anyway whatsoever. Hopefully all of your attempts will backfire as sadly as this one did and you will continue to have [censored] rain on your dismal existence.

Well done, in presuming the worst about me, you showed me the worst of yourself.

WITH LOVE,
O-PG


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I will probably be closing the email account that received this message, as the spam inundation has begun.

And to 2+2 readers: I didn't alert anybody about his misuse of server space funded by the taxpayers of Pennsylvania, except us. My only intent was to alert a grifter to a thread he left hanging, advising him that maybe we're not as clueless around here as he thought. If somebody did alert Pitt, good. Kudos to ya.

[BigHef]

The biggest sign of all this was advertising the guide as free, really that was just a big con job. If it's not free, then don't say it is.

[OffTilt]

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The biggest sign of all this was advertising the guide as free, really that was just a big con job. If it's not free, then don't say it is.

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I already apologized for the misleading statement, but I did say "available" free which it is, there is a difference. Granted it's misleading so I did apologize, again and again and again.

Big Con Job? Think what you want, assume the worst as always.

[OffTilt]

Well I was decent enough to not flame you in public on this board, but if you are intent on doing it to yourself go right ahead. I suppose it's fine to make statements like "he's a scam artist, he's going to leave his customers high and dry" with no evidence, but it's wrong for him to defend himself.

[ChipWrecked]

Hee, hee, this is big fun!

Dude:

I'm not saying it's bad to be a grifter. Just do a better job of choosing your marks.

Don't try to scam people who are smarter than you.

I think there's a forum hosted by an Onlinewizard or something. His readers will probably love your system.

Carry on....

[OffTilt]

Rack,

Just let it die alright. You got me, you saw through my big scam, I tried so hard to mislead you but it just didn't work. I know you'll always think the worst of me, I really can't worry about that. Unlike you I believe the people on 2+2 are smart enough to make their own decisions on my character without you making wild assumptions and voicing them as though they are fact, all in an effort to diminish the hard work of someone you don't even know.

Just let it go please,
OffTilt

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[ChipWrecked]

Consider it let go. I'll let you get back to all that hard work.

[crockpot]

i'm sorry that i can win at online poker consistently enough that i don't have to spend my time designing a grifting website to get money, then falsely advertise it as free. maybe if your strategies were as good for money-making as you say they are, you could do the same.

[OffTilt]

You're a bitter joke. By your logic, every poker author is a grifter because if he was really good he'd be making his money on the table, not by giving away his secrets in books. You have an affiliate website yourself. The only difference is it looks like garbage. Oh wait you donate to your poker club which makes you of superior character to me? I will donate more money/volunteer hours to REAL charities in one year than you probably will in your entire life.

I thought we were letting this thread die.

[crockpot]

i won't knock your character, i'm sure you donate plenty of your affiliate profits to your opponents.

and the day david sklansky tells me i can get all his books for free, then makes me pay him $65 to get them, i'll call him a grifter too. sound fair?