2-4 Borgota HE

[Mikey]

I went into the Borgota to check out the casino and it was a fantastic site.

I sat into what I thought was a 6-12 HE game but instead it was 2-4. Long story.

Anyway there are 4 limpers the button limps (local who plays very well and usually plays at the TROP 7.50-15.00 game) and I complete in the SB with.....

Qc Jd.

The BB checks.

The flop comes Js 8s 7h.

It's checked all the way to the button who bets.
I raise and there is one caller UTG.

On the turn falls a 3s.

I check.
UTG checks.
Button checks.

On the river falls the 5c.



I check, UTG checks.
Button bets, I raise. UTG calls cold and Button calls.

What do you think of my play in the hand?

[Ed Miller]

I don't understand why you are screwing around on the turn. You probably have the best hand, and it's very vulnerable. Failing to bet is a serious error.

[Clarkmeister]

Its creative, I'll give you that.

[elysium]

hi mike
you played terrible. you should have folded pre-flop. when the button bets mike, you can fold. yea, it looks like the UTG is a little loose....the whole thing, yuck.

yea mike i'm looking at this thing, and whew.....what a rotten hand. and you played lousy because there is no one on the planet that could have done a whole lot better than you did. lousy cards, lousy position. why did you get in this mess to begin with? terrible pre-flop call.

[Clarkmeister]

Stop it Ely....you are killing me here. Calling this preflop call horrible is bad even for you. I'm literally laughing out loud that you would post such a thing. Surely you were joking with our esteemed friend Mikey.

[Yeknom58]

What in the world did UTG call 2 cold with on the river. I'm guessing you have the button beat but really UTG must have had at least 2 pair.

Oh and bet the turn, the flush will tell you he got there really really fast. Like Majorkong says you need to protect your hand.

Bet the river, I used to have CR syndrome too, till I got cured with treatments of Missing-Multiple-bets.

[Jeffage]

Easy turn bet...don't give free cards to random spades. You need to protect your hand, but can probably fold if raised against most players.

Jeff

[pudley4]

preflop - good

flop - very good

turn - bad (bet and fold to a raise. The only time you shouldn't do this is if the button is good enough to correctly read your flop checkraise as not a flush draw, but a fragile made hand - in this case you should either check-call the turn or bet and 3-bet)

river - very bad (bet out; don't raise)

[ElSapo]

I've never come out and directly disagreed with anyone's advice directly on this forum, but I have to question this advice. Seems like good pre-flop decision, I like the flop check-raise, all that's missing is a bet on the turn and river...

...if I'm missing something, please let me know.

[Uston]

If someone is incapable of helping a player get better that's one thing. You shouldn't intentionally try and make people into worse players on the outside chance that they take your advice, especially when it pertains to preflop play. If you don't know the right answer, ask someone.

[Homer]

Primum Non Nocere

Freaky -- I was just about to respond with the exact same subject line.

Seriously, what does that mean?

-- Homer

[Uston]

You were going to respond with that subject line without knowing the meaning? Too bad. That would have been the greatest coincidence in the history of the world.

It means "first do no harm" and was coined by Hippocrates.

[Homer]

It means "first do no harm" and was coined by Hippocrates.

What's that, some kind of hippopotamus?

-- Homer

[Uston]

[Ed Miller]

I've never come out and directly disagreed with anyone's advice directly on this forum, but I have to question this advice.

Sweet.. you've taken your first step to becoming an ornery jerk like the rest of us. *cheer* Where's my video camera?

[JTG51]

No one asked you.

[Homer]

Pot. Kettle. Black.

[JTG51]

Sarcasm, irony, and dry humor can be so easily confused when written. I think we're starting to slip into a murky area where I'm going to get confused, so even though I'm still laughing I quit.

[Homer]

I concur...we're all just kidding of course, but I think I'll stop now too...

[JTG51]

You were joking?

Oh yeah, I'd better include this... /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Mikey]

When I didn't bet the turn, I was fairly sure I had the best hand when it was checked around. I know I missed a bet there.
When the 5c hit the river I felt I would definitley get a bet from the button where I can checkraise again. I checked, UTG checked, the button bet as I thought. I know the 5c didn't help the button so I raised again. UTG called cold and the button called. At this point I'm thinking what the hell does UTG have.

I flipped over my hand. The button said "ohh you have me outkicked". UTG ( a kid probably no older than 19 or so he looked )sat there looked back at his hand, and the board and back at his hand. With a happy little smile he turned over KK. Yeah that's right KK.

He was full of joy and smiling with his friends who were also playing at the table. It's just a terrible feeling because I thought I had the best hand, and not only did he slow roll, but the way he played the hand as passive as he did completely confused me.

I thought about how confusing his play was.

1) he didn't raise with KK preflop.
2) he didn't bet the flop.
3) he didn't reraise when I checkraised the flop
4) he didn't bet the turn
5) he didn't bet the river
6) he called 2 BB cold on the river.

#6 is the only one here that probably makes sense because he would have made the final mistake of folding had he known what my cards were.