View Full Version : bubbble hand $15+1 turbo - i hate folding here
pokerlaw
12-31-2005, 03:08 PM
The shortstack has been sitting out the whole time. I called PF b/c when BB checked he would fold to a minimum bet despite the fact he should be pushing every hand.
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Button (t265)
Hero (t3370)
BB (t6575)
UTG (t3290)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.
Flop: (t400) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif
Hero checks, BB bets t400. Hero folds.
does anyone call or push this?
Am I missing something? Or is this an easy push
bluefeet
12-31-2005, 03:18 PM
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I called PF b/c when BB checked he would fold to a minimum bet despite the fact he should be pushing every hand.
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I'm confused. If this is the case, why aren't we leading this flop? If the only acceptable answer is 'because I flopped a straight, I want him to put money in the pot' - then why did we fold? Were you hoping to just check it down? Not busting your chops, just trying to understand the thought process. I'll give you my two-cents after...
On a scale of 1 to 10 this is retarded
Why would you complete if you were just gonna fold when you hit the best possible flop aside from AAA or 222?
pokerlaw
12-31-2005, 03:44 PM
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I called PF b/c when BB checked he would fold to a minimum bet despite the fact he should be pushing every hand.
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I'm confused. If this is the case, why aren't we leading this flop? If the only acceptable answer is 'because I flopped a straight, I want him to put money in the pot' - then why did we fold? Were you hoping to just check it down? Not busting your chops, just trying to understand the thought process. I'll give you my two-cents after...
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the reason i didn't lead the flop w a bet is that i am swelling it for later and he is calling with a lot of draws. i'm going to be ITM in 3 hands and if villain checked back (he was quite passive for a guy in his chip situation) i would bet the turn and move on.
when ITM hits, i dont want to have t1200 or so, so i want this pot to be as small as possible. of course, the way i played this I should jsut fold PF. If I push and get called, even a 20% chance of losing would be pretty bad ICM-wise i feel.
bah, this hand sucked though. villain showed 10d2o
SCfuji
12-31-2005, 03:55 PM
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the way i played this I should jsut fold PF
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valenzuela
12-31-2005, 04:01 PM
thats officially the worst hand that Ive ever seen posted on this forum. Folding is soooooo retarded.
bluefeet
12-31-2005, 04:02 PM
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I called PF b/c when BB checked he would fold to a minimum bet despite the fact he should be pushing every hand.
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I'm confused. If this is the case, why aren't we leading this flop? If the only acceptable answer is 'because I flopped a straight, I want him to put money in the pot' - then why did we fold? Were you hoping to just check it down? Not busting your chops, just trying to understand the thought process. I'll give you my two-cents after...
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the reason i didn't lead the flop w a bet is that i am swelling it for later and he is calling with a lot of draws. i'm going to be ITM in 3 hands and if villain checked back (he was quite passive for a guy in his chip situation) i would bet the turn and move on.
when ITM hits, i dont want to have t1200 or so, so i want this pot to be as small as possible. of course, the way i played this I should jsut fold PF. If I push and get called, even a 20% chance of losing would be pretty bad ICM-wise i feel.
bah, this hand sucked though. villain showed 10d2o
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Understandable. We don't want to go broke here. Fair enough. Pushing over on a pot this size is a bit much anyway. We could talk at length regarding the benefits of leading and c-raising. But even the easiest - though perhaps not the wisest, of options would be to call here. In comparison to your stack, this pot isn't that big. Even though you give the draws, calling here, block/value leading on the turn would be one way to get you the cheap showdown. It's a good thing to recognize your livelihood here considering short-stack. But there was quite a bit of poker to be played yet in this hand before you were forced to make a difficult laydown. This flop just isn't the place.
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thats officially the worst hand that Ive ever seen posted on this forum. Folding is soooooo retarded.
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Glad i'm not the only one who thinks this
valenzuela
12-31-2005, 04:10 PM
come on man, pushing cant be -EV.
bluefeet
12-31-2005, 04:27 PM
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come on man, pushing cant be -EV.
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Never said it was...."bit much". I was speaking to OP directly related to his mindset. If you want to make the most of this pot, there are certainly better ways to do so correctly, other than throwing 3100 chips at a 800 pot. Explore some of those options....
Edit: Something a little more useful than "thats officially the worst hand that Ive ever seen posted on this forum. Folding is soooooo retarded." if you could.
This is the most awful fold I have ever seen in the history of poker. Folding a big draw on the bubble is one thing, folding this is another thing entirely.
I'd c/r all in personally
valenzuela
12-31-2005, 05:33 PM
My reply to your post is *exactly* what 11t said.
bluefeet
12-31-2005, 06:04 PM
Adding 25% to your stack here by overpushing, eliminating any chance of it being taken later is a fine answer.
yvesaint
12-31-2005, 06:09 PM
you do realize you have a straight, right? am i missing something? yes, i see the uber small stack
bluefeet
12-31-2005, 06:19 PM
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you do realize you have a straight, right? am i missing something? yes, i see the uber small stack
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Nope, nothing at all. My previous post wasn't sarcasm. C-pushing is fine. I just wanted to get the thinking beyond 'this is retarded'. There are merits to leading, c-raising, c-pushing, and even c-calling (to a lessor degree).
applejuicekid
12-31-2005, 06:22 PM
I'm so confused.
jgunnip
12-31-2005, 06:38 PM
It's a 16 dollar tournament, raise his ass. Maybe if this was like a one million dollar tournament or something and if making the money was the difference between life ont he streets and staying alive then maybe i could see just folding. But even then you have to at least call on the flop.
AlphaWice
12-31-2005, 07:11 PM
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It's a 16 dollar tournament, raise his ass. Maybe if this was like a one million dollar tournament or something and <font color="blue"><u>if making the money was the difference between life ont he streets and staying alive</u></font> then maybe i could see just folding. But <font color="blue"><u>even then you have to at least call on the flop.</u></font>
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