Interesting hand between me and another 2+2

[Sykes]

Situation: Live $1/$2 game at the local casino.

He's been running pretty bad, although his play up to now is quite fine. He's read SSHE and applies it quite well. Basically a TAG in all aspects.

I've been running good, not showing down many hands, and when I do show them, I have the nuts.

Folds to me in MP1, I raise with AQo
He re-raises in MP2,
Donk caps in MP3.

rest fold.

Flop is 8 high.

Check to him, he bets, donk calls, I call.

Turn is 9.

Check around.

River is a rag.

I bet.

Comments?

I think if you really wanted a chance to take down this pot UI, you should c/r the turn and lead the river.

Other than pulling off a miracle bluff with the above line, you're never winning this pot.

i fold to the preflop cap

[Str8Fish]

2 back to you preflop, you should have folded. The donk call on the flop was odd... obviously has overcards.

[Sykes]

Great, 2 posts.

One can't read the hand. Can't C/R turn when it's checked through.

Second is dumb. Folded to a donk cap is dumb This person doesn't need AA/KK/QQ/JJ/AK to cap. If they did it only with this I would fold, but this is not the case.

[Sykes]

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2 back to you preflop, you should have folded. The donk call on the flop was odd... obviously has overcards.

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ANYONE THAT FOLDS AQo TO A TAG 3 bet and a DONK cap is either:

a. Retarded and can't play post-flop poker.
b. A losing player.

Folding AQo in this spot is like folding 99.

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Great, 2 posts.

One can't read the hand. Can't C/R turn when it's checked through.


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Regardless of whether I can read or not; I think you missed the important part of my post:

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you're never winning this pot

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[Sykes]

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Great, 2 posts.

One can't read the hand. Can't C/R turn when it's checked through.


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Regardless of whether I can read or not; I think you missed the important part of my post:

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you're never winning this pot

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Btw, I forgot to mention that donk usually bets when she hits her hand.

Also, the TAG would never check the turn with TT+. So I put him on AK.

Does the river bet make sense now?


Honestly, the pot is 10BB, you don't think it's worth 1 to try to win it if you think TAG has AK and donk misses?

Seriously, you're never winning the pot if you check the river so why not bet it?

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Great, 2 posts.

One can't read the hand. Can't C/R turn when it's checked through.


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Regardless of whether I can read or not; I think you missed the important part of my post:

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you're never winning this pot

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Btw, I forgot to mention that donk usually bets when she hits her hand.

Also, the TAG would never check the turn with TT+. So I put him on AK.

Does the river bet make sense now?


Honestly, the pot is 10BB, you don't think it's worth 1 to try to win it if you think TAG has AK and donk misses?

Seriously, you're never winning the pot if you check the river so why not bet it?

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With the additional information you give about the donk, you're 2+2 friend's call is pretty easy. If however, the donk could have checked the turn with a pair, your friend's call becomes a lot harder. Now he only needs to catch a bluff from you 1:10 because he knows he has the donk beat.

[censored], it's a pretty easy decision at the end of the day. If you think both fold >10%, bet.
IMO. Based on the information, I don't see this being the case and I think you could have saved yourself 3BB on this hand.

[Str8Fish]

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2 back to you preflop, you should have folded. The donk call on the flop was odd... obviously has overcards.

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ANYONE THAT FOLDS AQo TO A TAG 3 bet and a DONK cap is either:

a. Retarded and can't play post-flop poker.
b. A losing player.

Folding AQo in this spot is like folding 99.

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A player NOT folding AQo to a capped pot is a losing player. You could easily be dominated by AK or be against AA-JJ which you don't have a big advantage over. You could call it if it were AQs, but not AQo.

[shadow29]

I don't fold AQo in this situation and I'm faaaaaaar from a losing player.

Sykes,

I think that the best way to win this hand is to get it HU between you and the 2+2er. Not really sure how do this. Maybe a flop donk to get the 2+2er to raise, fold the donk and then you can c/c down. This play works against the donks that I'm used to, but I don't really know this one in particular.

Your thoughts?

[bravos1]

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Also, the TAG would never check the turn with TT+. So I put him on AK.

Does the river bet make sense now?

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So turn this around. You, also a TAG, raised preflop and called 2 coming back. What can he put you on? 99-AA and AK-AQ, KQs and possibly AJs.

You did not checkraise the flop or bet the turn so he can eliminate 99-AA which leaves AK-AQ, KQs and AJs most likely and he's chopping w/ AK and winning against the rest.

So no, the river bet does not make much sense to me. Why would he fold to your river bet? What could you possibly have?

If you intend to win this pot, you really needed to raise the flop and lead the turn.

[aK13]

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i fold to the preflop cap

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2 back to you preflop, you should have folded. The donk call on the flop was odd... obviously has overcards.

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What the hell?

[aK13]

Your bet sucks.

Assuming donk folds (and if he calls, does he call with any A? or pair+ only? or...?), 2+2er will call all hands that are owning you, and fold all worse ones. Pretty sure hes not expecting you to have hit a 8 high board, and any high pocket pair would have just bet the flop or check/raised it (save maybe 99, TT for that "wait to turn to raise" thing).