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FeliciaLee
07-29-2003, 03:21 PM
Every now and then, I will come across a maniac in a SNG. It seems to happen a lot more in limit tourneys than NL. For instance, when I was still playing Stud SNG's, one maniac literally just had his pointer on bet/raise any. He never varied his play. I doubt he was even looking at the cards, just the pointer. This strategy paid off for him very well, as he was far and ahead the chip lead when I got busted out.

The other day I found a maniac in a NLHE sit-n-go. Some people refer to a certain opponent as a "maniac," when it truth, they are not. The poker dictionary defines "maniac" as:

'A player who bets, raises, and reraises without regard to the quality of his hand; someone to whom getting in the last bet is a matter of pride. Such a player is most often found in flop games.'

If I am playing with a player who seems to raise a lot of marginal hands, someone will comment, "He is a maniac." Well, no, he isn't, he is just pushing marginal hands, value betting when he thinks he might have the best of it.

The other day, however, I truly did play with a maniac. It didn't take long for the table to discover his ways, since he was forcing other's premium hands all-in, and getting quite a few amazing suckouts with bad hands. The table, as a whole, was steaming. Other players started mixing it up with him, with barely playable hands. If they lost, they could not survive, yet he could, since his stack was so huge from the frequent steals and occasional suckouts. He had about five times as many chips as the next lead, so he could weather many storms, while constantly replenishing his stack by stealing when no one had a hand to "stand up" to him.

Seeing this pattern, I took on the passive/timid role, and let him do his best to bust out the other players. They fell fast. We went from nine to four players in record speed. During this time, I did not receive a premium hand. I folded even good, playable hands to the maniac. I let him feel he could run over me, that I was the scared mouse who would not take him on. I let him dominate me, and refused to join into the table heckling that the other players were giving him, all of them tilting and steaming badly. I kept silent, and let him do his damage.

A lot of SNG players, who seem to be decent on the surface, never bother to think outside of the box. While planning my strategy against the maniac, I saw some awful plays. For instance, a seemingly solid player was to the left of the maniac. He was UTG, and went all-in with an obvious premium pair. The maniac was the BB. The maniac was intelligent enough to know that the UTG player was tight and solid. So he folded his BB when it got back to him. No value for the solid player in that hand. Sure, he got the blinds, but he could have gotten so much more out of his premium hand.

By hand 42, I was down to 815 chips from my original 1500. Maniac was up to 4800. We were already down to five players, and I received 66. The maniac did his usual large raise. I went over the top of him and made him pot-committed (not to mention the fact that I only had 815 chips anyway). Thus he fell victim to trap #1 with his J3 raise.

On hand 50, I was dealt AA. I once again set a trap for the maniac. I limped in, and let him make a hefty raise. I went over the top and pot-committed him. He instantly called and turned up 22. Now our stacks were 3000 me, and 3200, maniac. I was closing in on him. He seemed kind of angry about the tables being turned. He didn't like that the predator had now become the prey, and made the comment that I wasn't going to be able to win them all.

Hand 51 found him steaming and calling an all-in versus another opponent. He managed to knock the other guy out. Down to four.

The other two opponents of the maniac played more like me. They showed incredible restraint and patience in the eye of the storm. One is a Vietnam Vet who has probably seen it all. I have played against him many times and respect his play. We were all playing our very best game and letting the maniac steal the blinds virtually every hand. Kudos to my other two opponents!

On hand 63, I found myself with 99. Earlier, my Vet friend had tipped the scales in his favor by getting the maniac to call his all-ins, so we both had the maniac outchipped. The maniac raised pre-flop. Both the Vet and I called. The flop was all rags, which prompted the maniac to immediately shove all-in. Both the Vet and I called. We checked it down the rest of the way. I got my third nine on the river, and the maniac was eliminated with J3o.

I think we all sighed a breath of relief, but we were astounded when railbirds suddenly started cheering. I had no idea that many of the victims of the maniac had stayed around to see themselves vindicated when someone took him out.

I used to get very uptight playing against a maniac. My heart would race and I would feel like I was going to have a heart attack. Now it is just a minor bump in the road, which usually puts money in my pocket, and helps me improve my play.

Bring on the maniacs!

Daithi
07-29-2003, 04:14 PM
I play them the same as you do Felicia. Wait for a good hand and then let the maniac dig a hole from which he can't get out.

However, not only do I see others playing a maniac with marginal hands, I often see people calling a maniacs raises on the flop and the turn only to fold on the river. Why people do this is beyond me.

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My maniac story. In a B&M tourney I had a maniac on my right who would often show me his cards when I wasn't in a hand (any two cards would do). The end of the rebuy period was upon us and I had 99. The maniac had just raised 4xBB, I raised the pot and he was the only caller. The flop was QQrag the maniac bet about half the pot and I went all-in. He turned over QQ for the quads. REBUY!!! Even maniacs play the good hands.

JohnM
07-29-2003, 04:14 PM
Good post. It is hard not to get caught up in a maniacs style when (s)he is going at it. Question - Did you and the Vet discuss the collution prior to the all in play or did it just happen? Interesting ethical question at it is in your best interest to have hte maniac out of the game so the collution is very self serving. Is that fact the over riding issue?

Welcome to AZ today. You havent said where but there are some very nice card rooms (B&M), some good touraments, and a ton of small rooms. Hope to meet you in one.
John

jon_1van
07-29-2003, 04:15 PM
Felicia,
I had much the same scenario happen to me. I was playing at a table with a maniac and his crazy play along with some lucky --- suck outs got him to 2nd place.

When it was he and I heads up it was quite easy to take him down. As he was just too eager to walk into traps.

Maniacs are fun...you just need enough chips to wait until the time is right.

Jon

Copernicus
07-29-2003, 04:20 PM
To summarize, you are switch, and the dom couldnt handle that!

FeliciaLee
07-29-2003, 04:45 PM
LOL. No, the Vet and I weren't in any implicit collusion. If there was any collusion going on, it was that the three of us flounderings were trying to stay out of the maniac's way! When we were four, it just so happened that myself and the other two flounderings were more patient players.

We won't be out to Arizona until the first week in September. We close on our house here on August 29, 2003. Then we will be headed to Arizona. I can't wait! We are looking at homes in the Globe area, so my nearest cardroom will be Apache Gold, but I will probably be playing in tournaments all around the Phoenix area. I'm sure I'll see you there!